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LyalC52

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Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« on: March 29, 2016, 02:14:13 PM »
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmy2xnldsl5ha0z/Motiv%20Jackal%20Fair%20Exchange%20Program.pdf?dl=0


uggg this has me a bit frustrated

I don't think I need a heavy oil ball during the summer, so do I wait for the LE ball, or get something I can use during the summer?

what if the LE is junk?
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2016, 03:57:31 PM »
Not really a problem it would seem. You don't currently need the heavy oil ball you have and cant use........you can wait to see if Motiv gets the ball reapproved which isn't likely or you can wait on the LE. The LE (just my speculation) will be the Carnage cover and a core very similar to the Carnage with the diff closer to 0.055

If you want the big hooking ball that replaces the one you cant use then wait and get the LE. It will likely be really really similar to the one you like and cant use.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2016, 04:11:26 PM »
What if the Carnage you bought in the first place would have been junk? 
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2016, 04:39:43 PM »
What if the Carnage you bought in the first place would have been junk? 

Blasphemy....no wait, never mind
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2016, 06:03:49 PM »
How about I had both Jackal and Carnage?

So I will had two LE balls for replacement?

What should I do for two identical ball?

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2016, 07:02:21 PM »
Motiv has answered every question with this release. I can't wait to see what 3835 complains about now. 2 inserts and a slug in every box, plus perks to the pro shop to drill the balls cheap and receive a free ball. Hell of a job Motiv. Now, make the next one legal 8)

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2016, 07:08:26 PM »
How about read the details?  Pretty clearly states you can either wait for the LE, or you can get any currently produced ball with the exception of the Venom Cobra. 

How about I had both Jackal and Carnage?

So I will had two LE balls for replacement?

What should I do for two identical ball?
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2016, 07:58:32 PM »
Some folks are very skilled in getting others to do the work for them.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2016, 09:15:21 PM »
Where's Wowzers?

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2016, 10:34:36 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154056753845489&set=o.61378703028&type=3&theater

Here's a link to the full statement since it seems like the one from the DiLaura Brothers in the first post gets cut off on the second page. It's smaller though so you might have to zoom in if you can't read it.

Seems like a pretty solid plan from Motiv's end. The bit about pro shops getting a new ball for every 8 (or lower) Jackals turned in is a pretty nice incentive for them, especially if a pair of grips and a thumb slug is going to be included anyways.

If the limited edition ball they're developing has the XFS coverstock on it I can't see how it could be a bust. It's hard to imagine the core being that different or providing a totally different reaction. I'm probably just going to wait for that. If the prop shop perks are contingent upon the new balls being drilled that will probably keep the number of limited edition balls showing up on ebay down too. It will be really interesting to see how much those end up going for though.  ;D

I thought it was kind of odd that they're excluding the Venom Cobra from the exchange process, but at the same time I guess they want people actually buying their newest release.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2016, 06:45:17 AM »
I thought it was kind of odd that they're excluding the Venom Cobra from the exchange process, but at the same time I guess they want people actually buying their newest release.

That was my take.  From my perspective, if I was going to trade in and wanted a new ball immediately, I would not be doing it for one of the lowest cost balls in the line (no matter how new it is).  I'd be looking at one of the Primals, or the Paranoia or one of the Revolts.  That said, my son will be trading in and will wait for the Limited Edition.  He has no immediate need.
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2016, 07:18:40 AM »

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Seems like a pretty solid plan from Motiv's end. The bit about pro shops getting a new ball for every 8 (or lower) Jackals turned in is a pretty nice incentive for them, especially if a pair of grips and a thumb slug is going to be included anyways.
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How is this considered a perk?  I must be reading the release wrong.  How I'm seeing this is that Motiv is expecting the PS to drill the repalcements for free and for every 8 they drill, they get a ball. 

From a customer service standpoint for the pro shop I guess I can understand drilling them for free but  will they charge for grips/slugs?  Will they give the customer a break on them?  I really don't see this as being a perk. 

For those that bought theres online and took to their pro shop to have drilled, these will probably wind up on Ebay or some 'bowling site' for sale.  Would they pay for drillijg again when it wasn't their fault these balls were banned?  I doubt it unless you're a ball whore and don't care. 

For me, I think if they expect the PS to drill for free, it should be 1 free for every 3.  I think that would offest the labor costs for drilling as well as throwing in the grips.

Just my .02

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2016, 07:45:41 AM »

Seems like a pretty solid plan from Motiv's end. The bit about pro shops getting a new ball for every 8 (or lower) Jackals turned in is a pretty nice incentive for them, especially if a pair of grips and a thumb slug is going to be included anyways.
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How is this considered a perk?  I must be reading the release wrong.  How I'm seeing this is that Motiv is expecting the PS to drill the repalcements for free and for every 8 they drill, they get a ball. 

From a customer service standpoint for the pro shop I guess I can understand drilling them for free but  will they charge for grips/slugs?  Will they give the customer a break on them?  I really don't see this as being a perk. 

For those that bought theres online and took to their pro shop to have drilled, these will probably wind up on Ebay or some 'bowling site' for sale.  Would they pay for drillijg again when it wasn't their fault these balls were banned?  I doubt it unless you're a ball whore and don't care. 

For me, I think if they expect the PS to drill for free, it should be 1 free for every 3.  I think that would offest the labor costs for drilling as well as throwing in the grips.

Just my .02
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I agree, drilling for approximately $15 per ball is unacceptable.  The pro shop that I work at will not be doing it for that.  We only sold a couple of those balls and will make sure that our customers are taken care of.  Shame on Motiv for devaluing what we do as a PSO.

And this business where Motiv is trying to get them reinstated.  It is estimated that over 1/2 of the balls are most likely illegal.  They just need to stop wasting money trying to get the balls reinstated and move on.  I still believe that Motiv is at fault here because they were told 2.5 weeks ahead of the ban and could have gotten in front of this with the public and had a plan.  They pushed the limits and got caught end of story, move on already.
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2016, 07:51:18 AM »
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Mike Mineman's shop in St Clair Bowl (Fairview Heights, Il) charges $50 for a blank reactive, plus grips and slug costs. Call it even on the grips and slug, but to get 1 ball for free for every 8 drilled, for Mike to make the same as normal, he would have to sell that 1 free ball for $400 (before drilling costs added).

PLUS....Mike is now also taking the extra step of drilling out the USBC logo on the returned Jackal.
PLUS....Mike is now also taking the extra step of taking pictures of the old Jackal
PLUS....Mike is now also taking the extra step of uploading of said pictures to Motiv's website
PLUS....Mike is also now dealing with upset customers.

Mike might get $250 drilled out of the ball, so subtract what he would charge for a ball brought in, and we are back to right around $200

To have to drill 8 balls to get the one free, that means Mike would be getting $25 for each ball drilled.

So Mike is supposed to take at a minimum 4 extra steps to drill the replacement ball AND take a 50% haircut on what he would have normally charged?

I agree...its nice to get something, but it needs to be worthwhile as well.

So here is the bigger question...what if my pro shop drills 14 or 15 replacements....do you mean to tell me that he is only going to get ONE free ball because it is 1 for every 8 drilled? If so, then that is even worse.

How about the smaller shop that ends up with only 5 or 6 or 7 redemptions....no free ball at all for the shop? So now we are back to the shop either charging the customer for the drill fee because the shop is getting nothing from Motiv, or the shop is eating the drill fee AND taking several extra steps to satisfy Motiv's requirements...

So in the end, I agree Track. 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 sounds much better.



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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM »


Seems like a pretty solid plan from Motiv's end. The bit about pro shops getting a new ball for every 8 (or lower) Jackals turned in is a pretty nice incentive for them, especially if a pair of grips and a thumb slug is going to be included anyways.


How is this considered a perk?  I must be reading the release wrong.  How I'm seeing this is that Motiv is expecting the PS to drill the repalcements for free and for every 8 they drill, they get a ball. 

From a customer service standpoint for the pro shop I guess I can understand drilling them for free but  will they charge for grips/slugs?  Will they give the customer a break on them?  I really don't see this as being a perk. 

For those that bought theres online and took to their pro shop to have drilled, these will probably wind up on Ebay or some 'bowling site' for sale.  Would they pay for drillijg again when it wasn't their fault these balls were banned?  I doubt it unless you're a ball whore and don't care. 

For me, I think if they expect the PS to drill for free, it should be 1 free for every 3.  I think that would offest the labor costs for drilling as well as throwing in the grips.

Just my .02

I didn't take the statement as Motiv expecting pro shops to give free drilling.  I think the intent was to supplement pro shop's drilling fees with free ball (for every 8 drilled) in the hopes they give the bowlers a break on those fees.  If I charge $40 to drill, then with Motiv's incentive, maybe I will charge those getting replacements $20.

And I am willing to bet Motiv didn't include the Venom Cobra because they do not yet have the inventory of that ball.  Motiv may be devoting manufacturing time to the replacement LE ball and slightly halting new releases until a batch of LE balls are ready for testing.
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