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LyalC52

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Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« on: March 29, 2016, 02:14:13 PM »
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lmy2xnldsl5ha0z/Motiv%20Jackal%20Fair%20Exchange%20Program.pdf?dl=0


uggg this has me a bit frustrated

I don't think I need a heavy oil ball during the summer, so do I wait for the LE ball, or get something I can use during the summer?

what if the LE is junk?
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WOWZERS

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #76 on: April 01, 2016, 04:21:45 AM »
Ken

It is ok. He made fun of someone else as well, someone who has been in the industry a long time. Who are those he is making fun of? People that have a different opinion than him. There are some people in the world that are so feeble minded that the moment someone opposes them, the only defense is to try to put someone else down in any fashion rather than just debating. If the other person quits, the feeble minded person wins by default.

L3's opinion about best is only an opinion and the person is entitled to it...there are plenty others who do not see Motiv as a good company. I personally like quite a few of their products and believe they do produce good stuff.

L3 - Handled perfectly...there are plenty others on here that see otherwise. Read any other bowling sites? Plenty on the other sites that are not happy with the way Motiv has handled this.

Doesn't change my mind about the situation at hand.

So once again, because I don't agree with you, go ahead back to the personal attacks. Not going to work.

Might as well block me because I am not going anywhere.

Have a nice day

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #77 on: April 01, 2016, 06:42:46 AM »

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #78 on: April 01, 2016, 01:26:14 PM »
How do we BAN this Lemmon guy?

You can't.  The most you can do is click on the Report To Moderator link on the bottom right of his posts (only available if you are logged in).  At one time, if they got a lot of reports on many posts, they would review the posts to see if the Reports were justified and only then take action.  That would probably be deletion of the post and a warning.


On topic, I like a lot of Motiv's balls and hope that they can satisfy the majority of the customers affected by this ban.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #79 on: April 01, 2016, 03:12:18 PM »
I wouldn't trust some of you who are claiming to be PSO's with running a lemonade stand.

 I work in sales, and in an industry where I am the "middleman" between the product producer and the buyer.  If this happened to me, I would take extra good care of the customers with a wide smile on my face.  And it would be lot more costly to me than the amounts you guys are talking about.

The value of just 1 one of the customers you are taking care of telling other people that you took care of the ball, drilling, photos, etc (great customer service) is much higher than this one time hit you are going to take.


If you don't see that, I think you lack foresight and an understanding of how a competitive industry works.

Remember this, it is 5 times more expensive to obtain a new customer than retain an existing one.  If a PSO values the extra $25/ball (roughly) that they can get immediately over building long term customers and positive publicity, that is the definition of shortsightedness. 

In summary, this is a crappy situation for the PSO's...but you can turn your short term hit into long term value if you apply some critical thinking.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #80 on: April 01, 2016, 04:38:06 PM »
I don't remember anywhere that anybody said anything about not taking care of a customer.  At least I didn't.  But that doesn't mean anybody has to be happy  drilling replacement balls for essentially $17 each.  I would rather Motiv do nothing and tarnish their reputation further than have to take one for the team to make them look better.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #81 on: April 01, 2016, 05:04:12 PM »
I wouldn't trust some of you who are claiming to be PSO's with running a lemonade stand.

 I work in sales, and in an industry where I am the "middleman" between the product producer and the buyer.  If this happened to me, I would take extra good care of the customers with a wide smile on my face.  And it would be lot more costly to me than the amounts you guys are talking about.

The value of just 1 one of the customers you are taking care of telling other people that you took care of the ball, drilling, photos, etc (great customer service) is much higher than this one time hit you are going to take.


If you don't see that, I think you lack foresight and an understanding of how a competitive industry works.

Remember this, it is 5 times more expensive to obtain a new customer than retain an existing one.  If a PSO values the extra $25/ball (roughly) that they can get immediately over building long term customers and positive publicity, that is the definition of shortsightedness. 

In summary, this is a crappy situation for the PSO's...but you can turn your short term hit into long term value if you apply some critical thinking.

 Well said Tennispro. There is great value in this exceptional and unfortunate circumstance for Motiv and ball drillers.

I don't remember anywhere that anybody said anything about not taking care of a customer.  At least I didn't.  But that doesn't mean anybody has to be happy  drilling replacement balls for essentially $17 each.  I would rather Motiv do nothing and tarnish their reputation further than have to take one for the team to make them look better.

 You don't have to like the situation or be a part of the solution. You can just post a simple print out on your door that you decline to participate in the Motiv ball exchange. All you have to do is print out the statement below. Sign it. So that you are voicing your true feelings about the situation your past customers will understand. They are not happy with the situation. They however would be more appreciative to go to a PSO who won't cringe at the sight of a Jackal or Jackal Carnage. They would be more than happy to take your customers away for the next 20yrs.

Dear customer it is with great regret we will not participate in the Motiv ball exchange since this will cause a financial hardship that you as a customer will not pay full price for our services or purchase another ball or other crap in our store that we mark up 200%. However you are welcome to waltz on in and shoot the breeze with us and look at the wonder wall of high performance sponges that will need a replacement after 150 games.   

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #82 on: April 01, 2016, 06:01:51 PM »
This process is total garbage.  I attempted to use the form.  I submitted it and told them that a picture is not possible, however I have a receipt from the pro shop that I bought it at.  They also told me that the serial number is not valid.  I swear that the serial number is accurate and I bought it from a reputable pro shop who will verify the purchase.  That is not good enougth for them. I am angry about it and have contacted a non profit legal office to help me with the process.
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2016, 06:10:22 PM »
If your using a laptop with a webcam you can take a snap shot photo of your ball. A cell phone picture set at the lowest resolution 640x480. Send picture to your e-mail address. Then paste to Motiv form
Do the same with a tablet with camera and set to lowest resolution.
 
Good luck nextbowler. Hope this info was helpful
« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 06:27:27 PM by noslouch »

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2016, 06:44:00 PM »
This process is total garbage.  I attempted to use the form.  I submitted it and told them that a picture is not possible, however I have a receipt from the pro shop that I bought it at.  They also told me that the serial number is not valid.  I swear that the serial number is accurate and I bought it from a reputable pro shop who will verify the purchase.  That is not good enougth for them. I am angry about it and have contacted a non profit legal office to help me with the process.

The issue for Motiv would appear to be that they have no way to validate you are still in possession of the ball.

You could have sold the ball and just retained that information. You would not be entitled to the replacement then.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2016, 06:47:43 PM »
This process is total garbage.  I attempted to use the form.  I submitted it and told them that a picture is not possible, however I have a receipt from the pro shop that I bought it at.  They also told me that the serial number is not valid.  I swear that the serial number is accurate and I bought it from a reputable pro shop who will verify the purchase.  That is not good enougth for them. I am angry about it and have contacted a non profit legal office to help me with the process.

The process is rather simple not sure how it is garbage. How can you be in possession of a ball but not able to take a picture? Your non-profit legal team may have a camera you could borrow...

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2016, 11:12:30 PM »
So Wowzers did you buy your Carnage from a pro shop? Easy question. Yes or no? Why are you so scared to answer such an easy question? Is it will give away why you are against Motiv not paying for drilling?

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2016, 12:15:24 AM »
Bowler19525, $25 might seem like a nice wage but it does not keep the lights on, insurance paid, tools sharp, etc...  The list goes out a long ways what the money needs to cover.  Not worth it for $25/hr.  Also, if Motiv does not send me the grips and slug brand that I use then I don't want what they are sending.  We will be charging for the extras that go into drilling a ball for a customer. 

Penny wise, pound foolish.


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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #88 on: April 02, 2016, 04:46:17 AM »
TD...I have answered it. Just read.

Oh yeah, I will answer it for you because you obviously missed it the first 2 times. I work in a pro shop part time. Do you really think I purchased the ball online or from somewhere else if I work in a shop?

And you must have missed this as well. I have both Jackals, not just the Carnage.

I am 100% against ANY company not fixing a mistake they caused 100% of the way. If this was any other ball company, I would be saying the EXACT same thing (fill in ANY other ball company that makes the same mistake Motiv made). Nothing personally against Motiv, but if you make a mistake, you need to fix the mistake, not tell someone we are going to half fix the mistake, and either you or the PSO is going to have to pick up the drill fee or a portion of the fee to get a ball we (Motiv) took out of your bag because we didn't manufacture the ball within the required specs.

I think that is what I have said from the beginning.

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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2016, 09:16:27 AM »
Legit question:  Do those of you who feel entitled to drilling cost believe you should be reimbursed for any de-oils and resurface services you've purchased?  Admittedly it's a low cost, but my question is based on the principle. 
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Re: Jackal and Carnage replacement/stall process
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2016, 10:07:26 AM »
My pso gave me a new hywire. Free no charge. Didn't charge for thumb or grips. This for doing business with him for the last 8 years. This was before the jackal recalls.