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DrBwlr15

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Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« on: November 30, 2013, 12:24:11 PM »
I just picked up a Venom Toxin and a Venom Strike and I'm trying to figure out how to drill them.. I have a few different drill patterns that I use but I don't know if I should drill both the same or drill them both different.. For those that have both, how do you have them drilled? The same or different?

 

scotts33

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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 12:56:19 PM »
It will all depends on your stats. and lane conditions balls will be used on.  For me and my stats which are in profile the VS was too early so my pin down layout required polish or it puked for me.  If I had to do it again as the VS is an early roll ball I'd have gone pin up. That being said the pin down layout I used was good on flatter conditions but very condition specific good but unusable for house type conditions. Now that's for me and my stats.  others may have better reaction than I. Your pro shop operator if good will suggest the correct layout for you with stats input and surface for conditions you will use the balls on.

VT's look like a good delayed hook ball but I went another way for that slot.
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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 05:36:06 PM »
I went with the pin directly above the ring on my Toxin, and I'm happy with the layout. The ball gets through the heads clean and has some good flip when it hits the dry.
 
I set up my Strike with the pin directly below the ring. It provides for more of a strong arc reaction on medium conditions. I think I see more oil than Scott generally encounters, so I haven't experienced 'puke out' with the OOB surface. If you want to be safe, a pin up layout should work well on the Strike.
 
The two balls compliment each other well. I wish it wasn't sometimes a crap shoot on how to lay out certain balls.  :)
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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 05:53:22 PM »
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I set up my Strike with the pin directly below the ring. It provides for more of a strong arc reaction on medium conditions. I think I see more oil than Scott generally encounters, so I haven't experienced 'puke out' with the OOB surface. If you want to be safe, a pin up layout should work well on the Strike.

Mine was pin under bridge which gave me too much VAL angle and too much pin to PAP and too much control for an already control type ball.  Probably pin under ring would have been fine. But as always YMMV and why driller needs to get correct layout for your stats and lane condition plus surface.  Generally pin under bridge layouts for me are fine as long as they are stronger balls.  VS is not a strong ball low total diff and Atomix Solid not a strong cover.  Example....I have had an 800 with a pin under Solid Nomad.  Stronger cover and more total diff.
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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 06:26:34 PM »
Scott, you bring up some good qualifying information.


I've definitely experienced the "too much pin to PAP" scenario. I completely messed up a Primal Scream going with the pin above the middle finger. It produced a horible hook/stop reaction. I just drilled up a second with the pin below the ring, CG kicked out with a balance hole on my PAP. It's a completely different ball.  :)   It almost has too much backend off the dry.

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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2013, 08:00:59 PM »
Scott, you bring up some good qualifying information.


I've definitely experienced the "too much pin to PAP" scenario. I completely messed up a Primal Scream going with the pin above the middle finger. It produced a horible hook/stop reaction. I just drilled up a second with the pin below the ring, CG kicked out with a balance hole on my PAP. It's a completely different ball.  :)   It almost has too much backend off the dry.

Steven, that sounds close to how my Primal Scream is drilled except my hole is a P3 hole. Actual nos. are 50* x 3 3/8 x 65*.   With my PAP being 4 x 1/2 up, this put the Pin under RF.
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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 09:34:27 PM »
I have 2 Venom Strikes and a Venom Toxin. VS#1 is 60x4.5x35  pin above  ringandOOB. This ball gives me length with a nice controlled move to the pocket. It's a defined move to the pocket but not flippy. VS#2 is drilled 60x5.25x70 pin under bridge and is at 4k plus polish. This ball gives me a nice arcing shape and works well for me on wood and high friction synthetics. My Venom Toxin is drilled 60x4.5x35 pin up and is OOB. This ball for me is supeisingly strong and makes for a nice step down from my Primal Screams whch are drilled with the same layouts as my Venom Strikes. These 4 balls make a nice arsenal for my Friday medium-heavy league
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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2013, 10:53:46 AM »
My Venom Strike is drilled with the Pin below the bridge and the Venom Toxin is drilled with the pin above the bridge.  The Venom Strike tells you when to switch balls.  As soon as I leave a flat ten, it is time to change.  Once I leave a flat ten, I cannot find an adjustment with the Venom Strike to eliminate the flat ten. 

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Re: Venom Toxin and Venom Strike
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2013, 07:57:29 PM »
I think there are some great comments above by Steven and Scott33.

Balls with this type of moderate flare potential should not be drilled super weak or too little pin to PAP on medium oil!

I am pretty rev dominant or should I say my natural tendancy is and in general only use 5 1/2 pin to PAP on the strongest cores/motors say diffs of .52 and more!

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Luckylefty
PS this is the reason many people will get these medium flare balls from the Brunswick Twisted Fury, to the IQ tours, to these Venoms or Brunswick Furys and plug in a pin over bridge drilling and hate it!  More flare needed on these Pukey reactions usually that come out of super weak drillings on weak/weaker cores!
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