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bcw1969

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Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« on: April 07, 2016, 12:12:49 AM »
Just as an outsider casually reading about what has happened I have a question. Is it possible to determine on a drilled ball where the core numbers were before drilling? The reason I ask this is because apparently not all of the balls produced were off. Why couldn't the USBC just have had Motiv cease production on the bad ball line(s), and instead of outlawing entirely the 2 balls, allow for people to send their ball specimen to be tested for compliance--sent with Motiv covering the shipping to do so..and have the USBC or someone put a visible "stamp of approval" on the ball and send it back to the owner and then just have the usbc allow only those Jackals and Carnages in play that have that stamp on them?  Wouldn't that have been cheaper for Motiv to do than to replace a brand new ball for those that owned one? Just wondering is all

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 12:36:04 AM »
Logistics nightmare and there isn't a way to back track the core numbers after drilling. Also someone would eventually copy the USBC approval stamp on their "illegal" ball

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 01:28:39 PM »
Just as an outsider casually reading about what has happened I have a question. Is it possible to determine on a drilled ball where the core numbers were before drilling? The reason I ask this is because apparently not all of the balls produced were off. Why couldn't the USBC just have had Motiv cease production on the bad ball line(s), and instead of outlawing entirely the 2 balls, allow for people to send their ball specimen to be tested for compliance--sent with Motiv covering the shipping to do so..and have the USBC or someone put a visible "stamp of approval" on the ball and send it back to the owner and then just have the usbc allow only those Jackals and Carnages in play that have that stamp on them?  Wouldn't that have been cheaper for Motiv to do than to replace a brand new ball for those that owned one? Just wondering is all

Brad

http://usbcongress.http.internapcdn.net/usbcongress/bowl/equipandspecs/pdfs/ESManual.pdf

Look at pages 12 thru 15.

If you look closely at page 15, USBC may not have followed there own process correctly.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 01:46:24 PM »
You mean this part?  Interesting.

If this secondary round of testing produces similar results, the manufacturer in question will be placed on probationary status for no less than 1 year accompanied by a fine not to exceed $8000 in addition to any previously received testing fees.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2016, 05:17:03 PM »
You mean this part?  Interesting.

If this secondary round of testing produces similar results, the manufacturer in question will be placed on probationary status for no less than 1 year accompanied by a fine not to exceed $8000 in addition to any previously received testing fees.

No that part they probably got right, two violations, at $8000 per would be the $16000 they announced.

Above that it says USBC will perform random testing.

Having someone send in a batch of balls, and say "spin these" isn't random.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 05:28:05 PM »
This whole thing spun "no pun intented" was from another company who was pissed off their "guy" lost a title boosting that companies sales. If there was any and check balance on the truck someone would have noticed a case missing, but, that does not exist at the rate balls are drilled.
Easy to find who called them out, get a list of all cases bought and who bought them, not that hard came from one distributor
 

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 08:37:51 PM »
This whole thing spun "no pun intented" was from another company who was pissed off their "guy" lost a title boosting that companies sales. If there was any and check balance on the truck someone would have noticed a case missing, but, that does not exist at the rate balls are drilled.
Easy to find who called them out, get a list of all cases bought and who bought them, not that hard came from one distributor

Is there any evidence that the 4 (spin me) balls sent to USBC came from the PBA Truck?

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2016, 09:35:32 AM »
This whole thing spun "no pun intented" was from another company who was pissed off their "guy" lost a title boosting that companies sales. If there was any and check balance on the truck someone would have noticed a case missing, but, that does not exist at the rate balls are drilled.
Easy to find who called them out, get a list of all cases bought and who bought them, not that hard came from one distributor

I've heard a lot of claims like this one, but I've yet to see or hear anyone credible back that up.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2016, 12:09:00 PM »
Down here in Dallas, the rumor mill is much stronger of course.  There is a pro shop operator in the area who was told by another ball company rep (he won't say who), that the Motive balls would be revoked approx 3 weeks before it happened.

He asked that ball rep, who reported it, and the ball rep just smiled at him.

Again, just rumors.  No one will confirm anything if asked officially.  Just some of his inside friends know the story.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2016, 12:19:08 PM »
One more note - if you are a competitor of Motive and a bowler is using Motive gear and getting a reaction on the lanes that your best bowlers throwing your best equipment cannot duplicate, you usually buy a few motive balls and reverse engineer the ball.

For 2 reasons.- 1) to see what they are doing that you are not.

And 2) - to see if what they are doing is ILLEGAL.

If you don't, you are not doing everything you can to be the best.

Hate the golf comparisons but it applies here.  If Nike comes out with a driver that "meets regulations" and suddenly adds 25 yards to everyone's drives, Taylor Made and all the other golf manufacturers would be stupid to new buy a few Nike drivers and cut them in half to see what the hell they invented, and to double check the legality and make sure Nike didn't find a loophole around the rules.


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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2016, 12:43:08 PM »
Down here in Dallas, the rumor mill is much stronger of course.  There is a pro shop operator in the area who was told by another ball company rep (he won't say who), that the Motive balls would be revoked approx 3 weeks before it happened.

He asked that ball rep, who reported it, and the ball rep just smiled at him.

Again, just rumors.  No one will confirm anything if asked officially.  Just some of his inside friends know the story.

That's about the same timeframe that USBC said they actually notified Motiv about their investigation. Sounds like that ball rep has a connection in the USBC office.

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Re: Why couldn't the USBC and Motiv
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2016, 01:29:44 PM »
Down here in Dallas, the rumor mill is much stronger of course.  There is a pro shop operator in the area who was told by another ball company rep (he won't say who), that the Motive balls would be revoked approx 3 weeks before it happened.

He asked that ball rep, who reported it, and the ball rep just smiled at him.

Again, just rumors.  No one will confirm anything if asked officially.  Just some of his inside friends know the story.

That's about the same timeframe that USBC said they actually notified Motiv about their investigation. Sounds like that ball rep has a connection in the USBC office.


I'm not saying that can't be true, but that would be contrary to what USBC has been trying to do recently. Within the last year, they've forbidden any of their employees from having any affiliation with ball companies via staff contracts or anything like that because they deemed it a conflict of interest. I know a few employees who had to ditch long-standing contracts when that ruling came down.