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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: Snakster on October 28, 2015, 07:37:02 AM
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So this is floating out there.
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I'm waiting on an "Octane Boost" that has the Turmoilâ„¢ MFS from the Venom Shock at 3k. Black ball with the same logo set as the original Octane. ;D
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If they are going to use a previous core, give us the Thrust with a new cover.
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If they are going to use a previous core, give us the Thrust with a new cover.
the TR2 is my favorite Motiv ball of all time, but I think the numbers are to close to the Impulse V2. But I have heard that an update version of the Impulse V2, maybe V3 is in the works.
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I would like to see the Thrash Frenzy re-produced ...
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If they are going to use a previous core, give us the Thrust with a new cover.
the TR2 is my favorite Motiv ball of all time, but I think the numbers are to close to the Impulse V2. But I have heard that an update version of the Impulse V2, maybe V3 is in the works.
The numbers may be similar, but the balls don't react the same.
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I see it's starting to pop in on retail sites for preorder now. As I expected, priced at $147. I say expected because that was the price of the original, but now we have a product that sits in the same performance category as balls prices much less. And is priced comparable to balls that are two levels higher. This for a ball with an older core. It may be a good core, but it seems that every new line that uses it is priced higher than the previous line. Octane higher than frenzy. Frenzy higher (I believe) than QZ.
Not sure what would drive someone to pay such a premium for a light-medium performance ball when the same company has much cheaper options for the same category.
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I see it's starting to pop in on retail sites for preorder now. As I expected, priced at $147. I say expected because that was the price of the original, but now we have a product that sits in the same performance category as balls prices much less. And is priced comparable to balls that are two levels higher. This for a ball with an older core. It may be a good core, but it seems that every new line that uses it is priced higher than the previous line. Octane higher than frenzy. Frenzy higher (I believe) than QZ.
Not sure what would drive someone to pay such a premium for a light-medium performance ball when the same company has much cheaper options for the same category.
Excellent points. Why pay $147 for that core when I can pay $113 for something with a halogen core that fits in the same slot.
LOL, who am I kidding, I will buy it anyway. ;D
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I see it's starting to pop in on retail sites for preorder now. As I expected, priced at $147. I say expected because that was the price of the original, but now we have a product that sits in the same performance category as balls prices much less. And is priced comparable to balls that are two levels higher. This for a ball with an older core. It may be a good core, but it seems that every new line that uses it is priced higher than the previous line. Octane higher than frenzy. Frenzy higher (I believe) than QZ.
Not sure what would drive someone to pay such a premium for a light-medium performance ball when the same company has much cheaper options for the same category.
Excellent points. Why pay $147 for that core when I can pay $113 for something with a halogen core that fits in the same slot.
LOL, who am I kidding, I will buy it anyway. ;D
(Yeah, if my son wants it...and he liked the original...I probably will too)
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I believe you both just answered the question ;D I've said it before and ill say it again, bowlers will pay for Motiv and Storm because the stuff is good. And for me, Motiv lasts for a long long time.
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I see it's starting to pop in on retail sites for preorder now. As I expected, priced at $147. I say expected because that was the price of the original, but now we have a product that sits in the same performance category as balls prices much less. And is priced comparable to balls that are two levels higher. This for a ball with an older core. It may be a good core, but it seems that every new line that uses it is priced higher than the previous line. Octane higher than frenzy. Frenzy higher (I believe) than QZ.
Not sure what would drive someone to pay such a premium for a light-medium performance ball when the same company has much cheaper options for the same category.
Excellent points. Why pay $147 for that core when I can pay $113 for something with a halogen core that fits in the same slot.
LOL, who am I kidding, I will buy it anyway. ;D
I may look into it as it appears it will fit in where I need a ball plus it has a differential of.050 in 12# and .047 in 13# weight balls of which I am forced to throw because of health probs and high differential balls work best for me. Also I had great success with the Quadfire Core in the Thrash Frenzy.
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Basically the same thing they did with the Tag. Used a core more commonly seen in a higher price point, leave the price tag from that pricepoint in the lower category. I would imagine this is how they will slowly increase pricing over all levels.
Ill still buy one, just might make it more difficult to sell, as it did with the Tag.
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I see it's starting to pop in on retail sites for preorder now. As I expected, priced at $147. I say expected because that was the price of the original, but now we have a product that sits in the same performance category as balls prices much less. And is priced comparable to balls that are two levels higher. This for a ball with an older core. It may be a good core, but it seems that every new line that uses it is priced higher than the previous line. Octane higher than frenzy. Frenzy higher (I believe) than QZ.
Not sure what would drive someone to pay such a premium for a light-medium performance ball when the same company has much cheaper options for the same category.
Where did you see it? I checked Buddies and Bowling.com and they don't show it.
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Bowlerx.com
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Where did you see it? I checked Buddies and Bowling.com and they don't show it.
http://www.bowlerx.com/Motiv-Octane-Burn-Bowling-Ball-PRE-ORDER-MOTOCTANEBURN.htm
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Where did you see it? I checked Buddies and Bowling.com and they don't show it.
http://www.bowlerx.com/Motiv-Octane-Burn-Bowling-Ball-PRE-ORDER-MOTOCTANEBURN.htm
Thumbs up. They also had the Black Widow Limited pre-order up at least two days before anybody else. I got mine while the gettin' was good.
I will say this though about the Burn. My son digs the stuff, but at a certain level, he has my practical brain. I could easily see him decide to opt for something like a Redline or one of the Venoms instead. He does have a gap in there that could be filled, so he's in the market.
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Interesting release to say the least. I would of thought that they would of let this line die off after the original octane. Knew more people that hated the original than liked it. Still at a pretty hefty price point for mediocre performance. #Scratchinghead.
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Wondering how this will compare to the Tag? Seems like they could be very similar. Need a ball to go down to from Vengeance. Any opinions??
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Wondering how this will compare to the Tag? Seems like they could be very similar. Need a ball to go down to from Vengeance. Any opinions??
That's a reasonable question, and if the answer is "not that much", then i know my son will look elsewhere. That's essentially the hole he is looking to fill. He has a Vengeance and a Tag. Sometimes in tournaments it seems he could use something in between. He has the red primal too and will sometimes go to it to get a bit more length (in between), but I think a redline or one of the venoms would really help him out. he had a shock at 14# and that usually worked well for him. It also offered a different look other than skid/flip.
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I would imagine Motiv would ensure this ball is between the Primal Rage Remix and the Tag. Whether or not it is close to the original Primal Rage is unknown. That ball is one of the longest running balls in the current line up.
Current thoughts are the Redline is more snappy than what people originally thought. Could be the drillings people used or the factory surface prep. If this is to be a more skid/snap reaction than the Redline, it could end up being significantly condition specific.
Not many liked the original Octane, but the core was liked. Updating the cover should help a lot. I am surprised they went back to the Octane name since that ball left a bad taste for some people.
As for recycling cores, everyone does it. It takes time to generate new technology. Right now, Motiv seems to be focusing their energies more on coverstocks than cores.
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I would imagine Motiv would ensure this ball is between the Primal Rage Remix and the Tag. Whether or not it is close to the original Primal Rage is unknown. That ball is one of the longest running balls in the current line up.
Current thoughts are the Redline is more snappy than what people originally thought. Could be the drillings people used or the factory surface prep. If this is to be a more skid/snap reaction than the Redline, it could end up being significantly condition specific.
Not many liked the original Octane, but the core was liked. Updating the cover should help a lot. I am surprised they went back to the Octane name since that ball left a bad taste for some people.
As for recycling cores, everyone does it. It takes time to generate new technology. Right now, Motiv seems to be focusing their energies more on coverstocks than cores.
Include me in the group that didn't care for the Octane, but loves that core which was also in the Thrash Frenzy and I loved that ball.
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Wondering how this will compare to the Tag? Seems like they could be very similar. Need a ball to go down to from Vengeance. Any opinions??
If the description of the Burn is correct, I don't think that they would be similar as the Tag description says "light oil" and the Burn says "light to medium". I will say the Burn appears as if it will be very versatile with a light to medium oil description. With surface adjustments, the Tag can be used on oil heavier than light oil, but it was intended to be a light oil ball. I have one and have used it on light oil, and medium-light oil with surface adjustments. I know one person that uses the Tag on medium oil, but he has way more hand than I do. Bottom line for me is that I don't care much for the Tag on any condition and wish I had never bought it.
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As for recycling cores, everyone does it. It takes time to generate new technology. Right now, Motiv seems to be focusing their energies more on coverstocks than cores.
True of course. But usually these things trickle down, not up.
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Based on the shape of the core...
The tag core should roll similar to an IQ Tour, and the octane something like a frantic core....the octane being a much better core design for light oil
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I'm kinda surprised about all the Octane hate,I think it's a good ball. maybe priced a little to high for what it is and maybe the reason for the dislike by many? the Tag is a good ball too and priced lower so maybe why it gets more love.
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I'm kinda surprised about all the Octane hate,I think it's a good ball. maybe priced a little to high for what it is and maybe the reason for the dislike by many? the Tag is a good ball too and priced lower so maybe why it gets more love.
No love for me on either one, especially the TAG. I am in the process of changing my grip to give me a bit different roll on my balls. It is looking good on the Scream and Thrash Frenzy. Will find out on the Rage next week and if all still successful I may do the TAG and Octane and see if they will perform better for me.
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I'm kinda surprised about all the Octane hate,I think it's a good ball. maybe priced a little to high for what it is and maybe the reason for the dislike by many? the Tag is a good ball too and priced lower so maybe why it gets more love.
No love for me on either one, especially the TAG. I am in the process of changing my grip to give me a bit different roll on my balls. It is looking good on the Scream and Thrash Frenzy. Will find out on the Rage next week and if all still successful I may do the TAG and Octane and see if they will perform better for me.
Brick, if I could get a penny for every time you mention the Thrashy Frenzy I would probably be able to buy a Octane Burn with that money! LOL I never had that ball but now I am intrigued of how that ball was since you always say how good that ball was for you ;D
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And they say this site is dead? ::)
Motiv removed the Octane and Tribal Fire from their ball guide as an FYI. Also removed the Covert Revolt as the Revolt Havoc replaced it.
http://www.motivbowling.com/resources/ball-guide.html
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I'm kinda surprised about all the Octane hate,I think it's a good ball. maybe priced a little to high for what it is and maybe the reason for the dislike by many? the Tag is a good ball too and priced lower so maybe why it gets more love.
No love for me on either one, especially the TAG. I am in the process of changing my grip to give me a bit different roll on my balls. It is looking good on the Scream and Thrash Frenzy. Will find out on the Rage next week and if all still successful I may do the TAG and Octane and see if they will perform better for me.
Brick, if I could get a penny for every time you mention the Thrashy Frenzy I would probably be able to buy a Octane Burn with that money! LOL I never had that ball but now I am intrigued of how that ball was since you always say how good that ball was for you ;D
Hey ... The Rage is even better. One the best balls I ever had. I just don't mention it much because it is still available. The TF was a great ball when the lanes started to break down ant the Primal Scream started having problems due to the breakdown. I later moved up a lb to 13# and got the Rage, but the TF was no longer available so I got the Octane instead.
Yeah, it appears that maybe I mention the TF too much, and things like that happen when you get old (78). They call this the "Golden Years", but the only thing I find "Golden" any more is my Pee .... ::) :)
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I'm kinda surprised about all the Octane hate,I think it's a good ball. maybe priced a little to high for what it is and maybe the reason for the dislike by many? the Tag is a good ball too and priced lower so maybe why it gets more love.
My son really liked his Octane when he was at 14# and the sense I'm getting is that he is really interested in the Burn. The octane is the only Moyptiv ball I have thrown. It was 'meh' for me. Sometimes pretty good, other times not so good. I never felt real good with it. Probably picked the wrong ball to try this company with. My son is a loyalist though.
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A lot of Burns being thrown by staffers at the Open this week.
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I have noticed that also. A lot of MOTIV staffers are throwing the Burn. It looks nice!
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On the burn and double burn at the US Open.....The Octane Burn makes sense but also has to do a lot with various bowlers roll and bowling stats.
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Interestingly, I just noticed that the pre-order price is now 136.95 (i.e., $10 lower). I wonder if there was a lot of blowback on the pricing for that performance level which precipitated the drop. Still a bit high in the context of their performance ranges, but much more palatable. Actually brings it similar to the original tribal price point.
I don't see how I can get avoid adding this for The Boy now.
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Interestingly, I just noticed that the pre-order price is now 136.95 (i.e., $10 lower). I wonder if there was a lot of blowback on the pricing for that performance level which precipitated the drop. Still a bit high in the context of their performance ranges, but much more palatable. Actually brings it similar to the original tribal price point.
I don't see how I can get avoid adding this for The Boy now.
I've always wondered about the price point of the Octane because in Motiv's chart it's placed along with the Forza balls. I'll still buy the Burn despite the price hike for it. As far as people saying the Redline is very snappy, I haven't experience that much reaction with mine and I have it drilled pin up near the bridge.