I bought the raptor and drilled it pin above bridge and mb kicked about 3 inches right of my thumb and a weight hole is placed right of the mb. This ball is clean in the first part of the lane and early midlane the ball picks up a strong hook that never quits. This ball hooks a ton and hits like a truck. I have 3 games on it now and so far I am very impressed. I like the fact that the ball does the same thing every time it isnt a ball that will be over under. It has a consistant reaction each time. Over all great piece. I also am buying a c51 le from a member and have a primal in the proshop getting punched this weekend. so to all the peeps out there who know motiv what should i expect out of the 2 other balls i have coming i am drilling the primal stacked above the ring and the cruel le is drilled stacked above the ring. Well any info would be  greatly appreciated. Thanks alot