Quote from: AMF300bowler on April 25, 2016, 11:19:07 AM

Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.

At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.

Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.

Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open

Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?

Quote from: SVstar34 on April 25, 2016, 01:03:59 PM

Quote from: AMF300bowler on April 25, 2016, 11:19:07 AM

Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.

At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.

Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.

Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open

Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?

I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.

Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?

Every brand is selling you a gimmick to buy a new ball you likely do not need. Brunswick moved to Mexico and also built the newest bowling ball production facility available.

That's a lot of money invested I am sure.  Brunswick could have stayed in MI and continued on as they were and been just fine. They wanted a new facility and some other changes and obviously found a better option and better incentives to do so. It is business. It is global. If Americans are superior in employees and work force then so many companies wouldn't move else where or wouldn't be made else where to begin with.

If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.

Quote from: tkkshop on April 25, 2016, 03:54:44 PM

Quote from: HankScorpio on April 25, 2016, 01:29:48 PM

Quote from: tkkshop on April 25, 2016, 01:09:00 PM

Quote from: SVstar34 on April 25, 2016, 01:03:59 PM

Quote from: AMF300bowler on April 25, 2016, 11:19:07 AM

Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.

At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.

Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.

Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open

Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?

I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.

Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?

the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.

What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?

Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business

A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.

That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.

by saying it's a real thing, I'm saying there is no trick involved. Neomark is a label on a ball. A marketing tactic, but not a gimmick. There is nothing tricky about it. It's just a modern way to put a label on a ball.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairmanin this article is states that Brunswick will save 5 million a year by moving to Mexico. I guess it paid off. Because the company ended up selling last year...

Quote from: kidlost2000 on April 25, 2016, 04:01:04 PM

If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.

This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.

Agreed

Quote from: kidlost2000 on April 25, 2016, 04:01:04 PM

If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.

This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.

this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand

Quote from: HankScorpio on April 25, 2016, 04:12:01 PM

Quote from: tkkshop on April 25, 2016, 03:54:44 PM

Quote from: HankScorpio on April 25, 2016, 01:29:48 PM

Quote from: tkkshop on April 25, 2016, 01:09:00 PM

Quote from: SVstar34 on April 25, 2016, 01:03:59 PM

Quote from: AMF300bowler on April 25, 2016, 11:19:07 AM

Lot's of people want to joke about all Motiv balls being illegal. I've heard the joke a thousand times.

At least we can say that our bowling balls are not made in Mexico. It really pisses off the Brunswick devotees, So, of course, I have to keep doing it.

Why does it matter? So many daily items are not made in the US. If where a bowling ball is made is such a big deal to you then get rid of everything else you own that's made outside the US.

Would it be nice if Brunswick still manufactured everything in the US? Of course, but a businesses main priority is to make a profit and stay open

Question for you SVStar... How could Brunswick not turn a profit manufacturing in Michigan, while Motiv is/can?

I'd say it's pretty clear sales for Motiv are better than they are for Brunswick. But I'm sure you already knew that, so what's your point? If they can't turn a profit, their choices are to shut down or find a way to cut expenses. Either way, people lose their jobs.

Motiv's sales gimmicks (mainly the neomark logos) are better than Brunswicks sales gimmicks. Isn't that how any business turns a profit in a location that other companies couldn't?

the neomark isn't a gimmick. It's a real thing. And the reason Motiv has better numbers is because their balls do not die and people actually like them. A "gimmick" would be the new coverstock tech that some companies are pumping out.... or they are actually admitting they have caught up to 2010 tech after being behind for a decade.

What the heck does "it's a real thing" have to do with whether or not it's a gimmick?

Gimmick - a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business

A technique to drive sales that "isn't a real thing" isn't a gimmick, it's fraudulent advertising.

That's nothing against Motiv, I have several of their balls and like them just fine. My Brunswick balls are also good. For that matter, so are my Utah balls and Kentucky balls.

by saying it's a real thing, I'm saying there is no trick involved. Neomark is a label on a ball. A marketing tactic, but not a gimmick. There is nothing tricky about it. It's just a modern way to put a label on a ball.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2005-06-17/business/0506170078_1_brunswick-corp-bowling-balls-brunswick-chairmanin this article is states that Brunswick will save 5 million a year by moving to Mexico. I guess it paid off. Because the company ended up selling last year...

Oh, ok, got it. It's not a gimmick because it doesn't match YOUR definition of gimmick, dictionary be damned. My mistake.

I'll rephrase just for you. Brunswick failed where motiv excels because motiv has better marketing tactics.

Quote from: CoorZero on April 25, 2016, 05:19:03 PM

Quote from: kidlost2000 on April 25, 2016, 04:01:04 PM

If you think one brand bowling balls are leaps and bounds superior to others you will be disappointed to find the truth.

This. Every company is making quality balls these days. It's just a matter of matching up to the right pieces and correctly building an arsenal... which is a skill many seem to lack.

this has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation at hand

It is a clip of a bigger post…… why does it have to be about you?