Need opinions for the best heavy oil ball from Motiv.  I bought a used Raptor Talon and it just doesn't cut it in oil. I can dull it down and it will be earlier but it isn't any better than any of the other balls I have from Motiv. Cover is odd that it doesn't really dull down that much, even when I sand it to 500 grit. Seems to shine right back up rather quickly.

I threw someone's Jackal and it seemed like it hooked more on oil when my other balls weren't moving..

Right now I think that is what I am going to try. 

What about the Revolt Havoc?  I heard that ball is like a Storm Marvel S.

Or The Jackal Carnage, how is that ball different than the Jackal?

Quote from: J_w73 on February 11, 2016, 11:43:46 AM

thanks for the info.. How do you have your Jackal drilled?  I talked to a guy that hates the Carnage.  He said it hooks at your feet and did nothing at all down lane.  I'm sure there wasn't enough oil for it maybe??  I didn't see it, so I'm not sure how it looked.  Strong solids tend to not get down the lane for me so that is why I'm leaning toward the Jackal.

Well I'm pretty new to bowling. But I think it's a pin up layout I have. Drilled by Tore Torgersen.
Pin up is when the middle & ring finger holes is under the dot right? And pin down is when the dot is under them?
What is it called when the dot is off to the right of them?

I'm thinking that your friend tried it out on very dry conditions. Highly doubt there is any ball out there that would hook right away on heavy oil.

You are correct about the pin up and pin down.    Not sure there is a name for the pin to the right or in line with the finger holes. 

The Jackal is pretty strong.  Are you sure you are playing in the correct part of the lane?  Is your heavy oil short or long?  Was a different ball more successful than the Jackal for you?  These are things that can affect the perceived performance of any ball.

I have the Carnage, and while I think its is a good ball, it does not roll as early or hook as much as my Mastermind or Nirvana.