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Equipment Boards => Motiv => Topic started by: Schwanstuker on October 03, 2013, 11:07:39 AM
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A friend who is on staff with Motiv posted a Picture for the Motiv Tribal on his Facebook Page, another friend who is a Native American Indian protested the ball's Name & Logo saying it offended him, so friend #1 Removed the Ad, is there any info from the Motiv community on this possible subject, does the name Tribal or the Logo with it apply to any Tribe in North America or is it just like the kids that used to get Tribal Tattoo's, it doesn't really mean anything?
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A friend who is on staff with Motiv posted a Picture for the Motiv Tribal on his Facebook Page, another friend who is a Native American Indian protested the ball's name saying it offended him, so friend #1 Removed the Ad, is there any info from the Motiv community on this possible subject, does the name Tribal or the Logo with it apply to any Tribe in North America or is it just like the kids that used to get Tribal Tattoo's used in South Pacific Islands?
The word Tribal is not necessarily relegated just to Native Americans, as the term "Tribe" could be attributed to many cultures and nationalities. The Native American Indian is not the first and only people to be a part of tribal culture. Now had the name referred to a particular "Tribe" is some type of derogatory way, that might open up the door for some discussion.
In my opinion, the guy/or gal who got offended is really "reaching".
Just my opinion.
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Agreed! +1
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Agreed! +2
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I was going to go on about the definition of tribal and all and then briandking beat me to it.
Agree 10000%
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+1 there's nothing even remotely close to actual native american culture. Some people just need the attention.
The style writing and design is more celtic then anything. Id have to ask if the person is celtic american otherwise they need to learn their heritage better.
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I don't think the Native American community has a monopoly on the word, "Tribe". It seems that the design comes from tribal tattoos.
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TRIBE could also refer to one of the 12 tribes of Israel....it could.
Brad
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Celtic tribe Germanic tribe its a long list
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Tribe (if I harken back to my college days), if I'm correct, is an anthropological social classification / term.
It is NOT the labeling of a particular group, rather, the structuring thereof.
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People need to chillax. The Chevy commercial below was protested by some for it's liberal use of 'crazy' and 'insane'. Seems it offended some who may have mental health issues.
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Tell him to S.T.F.U. and go back to his firewater.
Tribal. Really? REALLY?
I would've thought the Polynesians would have been first in line, especially after seeing the logo.
Some people are just walking around, looking for something or someone to "offend" them.
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This topic is a waste of time just like the storm one.
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This topic is a waste of time just like the storm one.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I don't necessarily disagree with the fact that some people seem to go around looking for situations about which they can be offended. However, who are you and I to tell someone else that they shouldn't be offended by something?
In the case of the Storm picture, I just that was a dumb thing to post because it serves to purpose, and it has the potential to offend. That's not a wise thing for any business to do. The post here about an actual person of Native American Indian heritage being offended by the name and logo of this ball is quite different to me. I'm not Native American Indian, so I have no idea what it feels like to deal with the issues connected thereto. The person who was offended does have that background from which to draw, so who the heck am I to tell him or her not to be offended about such a thing?
I think some people go too far in terms of looking for things to get upset about, but I think others go equally far in trying to tell others what they can and can't be upset about.
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People need to chillax. The Chevy commercial below was protested by some for it's liberal use of 'crazy' and 'insane'. Seems it offended some who may have mental health issues.
I agree. Anything to complain or get attention is all it ever is now a days. That or a way looking to sue and make money the garbage way(unless truly valid reason).
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We happen to bowl against a couple native american's just last week and my teammate was using his new tribal...they thought it was awesome and 1 of them ordered 1 from me.
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Looking at the ball, its colors and designs, there is no connection to any North American Native tribe. The name, Tribal, could be applied worldwide, as could the words Clan and Nation. I would say it's unreasonable to find anything offensive about this ball. With all due respect, the reaction of being offended was overly sensitive.
That one person perceives a personal offense, made by another person, constitutes a problem between the individuals or a problem in perceiving the world at large. In either case, the ball itself is a symbol of a personal matter, nothing more.
Let's allow the resolution to remain a personal matter and not blow it out of proportion by involving whole communities. Dragging out a personal problem in the public domain will benefit no one. It becomes a spectacle.
This is a time for silence, a time to simply wish the two individuals Goodwill, a time for Kindness and understanding.
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Before anyone passes judgement on this subject and I believe Don(Shwanstucker) is referring to my very close and longtime friend Dennis B's post on FB. It was my response that was posted to his FB page, if anyone knows Dennis and myself you would know it was an inside joke between us. I am native american (1/2 Navajo, 1/4 Choctaw and 1/4 Irish) and was not offended, it was just a light-hearted exchange between the two of us that never should have reached this forum.
I spoke with Dennis personally and he knew I was joking and he had no issue with my post on his FB page as we kid and joke with each other all the time as Don (Shwanstucker) should know by now.
FYI, the post has not been removed from his FB page, it is still there with my original comment, just my 2 cents worth.
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Pat, If you pay special attention to the topic question, at no point is your name or Dennis's name applied, I posed the question for an open subject.
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I have now washed my hands on this subject.
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Let's get back to talking about Bowling. Anyone currently using the ball of discussion (Motiv Tribal) on a THS pattern in league? How do you like it? I was thinking about giving Motiv a try.
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I quit using my Ebonite Afterburner after my navy pilot friends felt offended.
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Let's get back to talking about Bowling. Anyone currently using the ball of discussion (Motiv Tribal) on a THS pattern in league? How do you like it? I was thinking about giving Motiv a try.
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The topic now is SHAME ON SCHWANSTUKER!!!!
Clearly, his very first posting was an attempt to start a wildfire over something that did not actually happen.
And now, instead of a retraction or apology, SCHWANSTUKER comes up with "I didn't use names".
But you did, SCHWANSTUKER! You tarnished MOTIV, the Tribal ball, and the Native American community, not to mention this site.
Where I live, throwing lit matches into a haystack/corn crib/field/wood pile/etc. is a punishable offense, whether or not an actual fire resulted.
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Tell him to S.T.F.U. and go back to his firewater.
Juggsy, that is some funny stuff right there. Thank you.
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Wow Colorado, only 13 posts, I hope I don't see a 14th out of you!