The balls do have a very similar motion, though not quite the same strength.  In my opinion, the Thrash Frenzy is the closest thing Motiv has come out with that would be considered "skid/flip".  The Primal Impulse had a little more midlane than I was expecting.  The Thrash Frenzy is also a stronger overall ball than the Primal Impulse. 

With the balls you have had success with in the past, and the fact the shot is more on the medium to medium-heavy, I would lean more towards the Thrash Frenzy if you are only looking at these two.  For your style and the shot, also look into the Primal Scream.  The Primal Scream is a stronger ball than either and will have a closer overall strength to the balls you mentioned.  It isn't a true skid/flip so it will less likely give you an over/under reaction.

Once again, these are my opinions on what I have seen.  Yes, the Primal Impulse has a higher RG core, yet still wasn't as skid/flip as the marketing and expectations.  They are both still great balls.

It looks as though neither would be a bad decision. The Primal is gonna go a little longer which would be grea tofr 2nd game third game for sure, and the Frenzy would be a good choice to possibly end the night or maybe even start with it.

Our lanes can start kinda slick, My Black pearl reactive is the only one out of the three I mentioned in my original post that has the power to roll very strong through it and it is drilled very weak for me. Its pin above bridge but still flares atleast 5 inches. But our lanes can drastically change from the first game to about the mid of 2nd game, thats where a strong finishing ball that still goes long is a real benefit.

I just like a predictable ball, but also be somewhat controllable, you really shouldnt use that term with two skid flip balls haha. out lanes are oiled over whats left of the womens league the night before. there is no stripping done. I dont know if I ever notice a great deal of carrydown but I would assume its there.\

Keep the comments coming. Probably gonna pick one of these up some. The sigma tour looks pretty nice as well I must say.

Oh and most of my equipment is drilled fairly weak, as strong as I generally go is pin above ring finger. Dont do anything pin under because I clip the holes at that point. I can do pin in ring and those have worked well for me throughout my bowling years.

I just like a predictable ball, but also be somewhat controllable, you really shouldnt use that term with two skid flip balls haha.

With this thread in mind, I took my Frenzy to my second shift THS league last night. It's a fairly new ball and I didn't know what to expect on the pronounced wet/dry (with a little carry down) league shot. I was surprised to find a nice shot in warmup standing 30 and throwing over the 15. I went 227-300 the first two games. The heads went south a few frames into the third game and I had to chase oil to the left to the point where my entry angle resulted in repeated 10 pin leaves. I had to settle for a mediocre 205.


As I mentioned in my first post, at least for me, the TF is not a true skid/flip ball. I have several pieces from other manufacturers that go longer and break harder when thrown side by side. In general, I don't think Motiv has got the traditional skid/flip thing down yet. The company excels in producing even rolling and controllable equipment, which I'm more than fine with. It's that characteristic that convinced me to give them a try in the first place.


Having said all this, the TF is very good release that can be throw from multiple angles on mediums the medium heavy. It's a pearl that blends out wet/dry conditions where other pieces bounce uncontrollably off the dry. The TF (for me) wasn't what Motiv advertised it to be, but I'm still happy to have it.