It's very rare to have Motiv come down in prices. I believe they are too small of a company. It's not like 900 Global who appear Storm has an 'interest'.

Their prices are in line with every other major manufacturer..

Yes I do understand that but even the other ball manufactures come down after a while and both of these have been out for a while especially the Revolt.

Their prices are in line with every other major manufacturer..

Yes I do understand that but even the other ball manufactures come down after a while and both of these have been out for a while especially the Revolt.

Personally, I have not seen any manufacturer come down with their initial price until the ball is discontinued. Then, distributors stuck with such merchandise tend to discount them heavily.

I just picked up my new Primal Rage (#redball) on Saturday.  My first Motiv ball.  Threw a couple of practice games with it yesterday.  Pin-up layout.  Great reaction, carries very well.  Initially, a little disappointed in the durability of the coverstock.  In two games it already picked up 4 noticeable cuts in the cover.  Doesn't bode well for overall longevity. 

I think once the Remix comes out next month, you will see Motiv phase out the #redball.

Cuts from the lanes/returns are problems with the durability of the coverstock? Please explain that concept to me.

Quote from: milorafferty on June 22, 2015, 09:29:22 AM

Quote from: Bowler19525 on June 22, 2015, 09:01:02 AM

I just picked up my new Primal Rage (#redball) on Saturday.  My first Motiv ball.  Threw a couple of practice games with it yesterday.  Pin-up layout.  Great reaction, carries very well.  Initially, a little disappointed in the durability of the coverstock.  In two games it already picked up 4 noticeable cuts in the cover.  Doesn't bode well for overall longevity. 

I think once the Remix comes out next month, you will see Motiv phase out the #redball.

Cuts from the lanes/returns are problems with the durability of the coverstock? Please explain that concept to me.

Softer covers, more damage.  I have been bowling at the same center for 20+ years and have had equipment that gets little to no damage, and other equipment that gets tons of damage.  I fully understand that as bowling balls get used more they accumulate damage on them and I fully expect it to happen, but 4 cuts in 2 games is a bit much.  No one else I was bowling with yesterday on the same lane got any damage on their stuff.

Softer cover? So you are saying the Primal Rage doesn't conform to the USBC hardness requirements?

Softer cover? So you are saying the Primal Rage doesn't conform to the USBC hardness requirements?

Not necessarily. There is still a minimum hardness of 72. I don't think too many manufacturers list ball hardness anymore, but maybe Motiv is on the low end of the scale while others average higher?

Bottom line boys, Motiv balls do not get more damage than any other balls. Stop saying ridiculous things! That your new Rage got some nicks on it right away is a statement about your bowling center more than the equipment you're throwing. I bowl at a center that balls very seldom get any marks other than the normal dullness in the track area from rolling down the lane. But I bowl once a year in a tournament in another city and after 3 games the ball looks like it's got 500 games on it.

The ball getting stuck in the ball return also is a ball return issue not a ball problem. If no other balls got stuck and the Panic got stuck once, it was a malfunction not a ball diameter issue. All ball companies have to measure the balls produced to make sure they meet USBC requirements.

Also, nasty gouges are never the balls fault. That is solely on a problem between the pinsetter and ball return.

I've been bowling for over 40 years and keep my equipment is excellent condition. The stuff I've had to do the most work on have been used at centers where the lane surface is worn and the ball returns and pinsetter area are not well maintained.