I'm thinking about this in terms of those who carry only two or three balls with them. Some of us who carry what basically amounts to a mobile pro shop around with them should be able to get by relatively easily with some other stuff. But the majority of bowlers don't and they are the ones who will be hurt the most immediately. If at least one of their balls is a Jackal or a Jackal Carnage then that's a huge loss in their arsenal not only because of a ball (or two) being taken out but because of the lane conditions those balls cover in their bag. When Motiv starts sending out their replacements, which balls and possible layouts should they choose to help replicate what they're missing?

My guess is the Revolt Havoc and Primal Rage Remix are pretty much the only real options to go with here to handle the heavier amounts of oil. Am I wrong in thinking that? There seems to be the option to wait and get a future release of the Jackal (or whatever it might end up being called instead), but some people might not be able to afford to wait until then and need their replacement(s) as soon as possible. Another option might be getting a replacement ball and then selling or trading it in immediately to get a ball that might fit their heavier oil needs (like another asymmetrical, which doesn't exist at the moment in Motiv's lineup) from a different company.

Thoughts?

For right now, the Havoc and Remix are really their only heavy oil options.  In my case, I was ready to get the Carnage to replace my old Defiant.  Now I'll either hold off until when the replacement comes or I may look at the Dream Big from 900 Global.  Even though having the Paradox is nice with the hybrid cover, there's still times I want the solid cover.

All out honesty, the Defiant has held up really well with the games I've put on there. 

I would guess they modify whats needed to get the core specs safely under .060 and put out another jackal using the carnage coverstock.

Or they could bring the other 2 Jackals that are legal from overseas apparently over stateside and release those here. Wouldnt that be a better option. Those apparently are legal. Jackal Sapphire and Jackal Pro. Maybe Remarcabowl can confirm.

Give me a Revolt with the Carnage cover and I would be happy. Or the Carnage cover with the Sigma core would be acceptable as well.

Could someone with actual knowledge please answer the question at hand?

For me that question is: Is the Primal Rage Remix a good ball for heavy oil?

I need a heavy oil ball now for tournaments coming up and I want a Motiv ball. I don't want to wait the six plus weeks it will probably take to get a replacement ball with the online registration form. I'll save that for the next Jackal version.

I didn't like the Remix for heavy oil. Carnage WAS the answer. Now? Revolt Havoc is close...maybe add some surface. Just my opinion.

I keep my Havoc at 2000 most of the time. The cover is fairly strong, what makes it different is its an early motion. The Carnage cover in my opinion is still a step above what's on the Havoc

Completely agree. I would love to see Motiv to come back out with a new "Jackal", Carnage version, but with the diff of .055 or whatever, close enough to the old ball and low enough to conform to USBC regs.

But until then, Revolt Havoc might be the best option with some surface.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought and what I had in mind for the thread.

I've read that the Vanquish core was the base model for the Predator core (or maybe vice versa?) just with the latter modified to be asymmetric. Looking at the core numbers they aren't all that far off either, nor are the shapes. Density is impossible for us to determine though. I wonder if a Predator core modified to fit comfortably inside of the regulations would be all that different from a current Vanquish core. If that's the case then a Revolt Carnage or whatever you would want to name it might make sense.

But for those that are replacing the original Jackal would the Primal Rage Remix be the better option? Or is there no real easy switch in that regard?