I had one day at practice when a guy came over and asked Wow, what ball is that?... I had another day when taking a lesson and was told "get rid of that right away, it's not losing tilt..."... 90% of the time, I just couldn't make it happen... I got rid of it. Probably my fault, but just didn't match up.... Between that and my Raptors, I was soured on Motiv... Never have gone back.