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dizzyfugu

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Motivator-X surface changes
« on: November 23, 2010, 06:18:46 PM »
Hi all,
I am a proud owner of a (solid) RX1 with the Motivator-X cover. The ball is drilled 5.25x4.75, and it hardly flares at all - it is supposed to be a smooth, weak ball for outside lines in the 1st-2nd arrow area.

While the overall recation I get out of it is good and as intended, I find the 4.000 grit OOB surface (which is pretty shiny, though) to read the lane surprisingly good and early - I battle with early hook, esp. on drier lanes for which I actually set the ball up. I already worked with hand position changes and the like, and while the ball reacts well to it, I feel that the cover needs some tweaking for my needs.

What are your experience with polish on this coverstock? My plan to get it further down the lane is to hit it with a 1.500 grit pad and add Lanemasters gritless polish, to promote skid in the buffed lane areas and maybe conserve energy and hook for the back end.

What are your experience with a polished-up Motivator-X cover, what did you try (not only on a RX1, also on other balls with that shell), and how did esp. the control at the breakpoint change?

Many thanks in advance for impressions and feedback!
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 04:19:34 AM »
Dizzy,

It seems to react well and as expected to the changes I tried on my SX-1 and TX-1. Mostly I changed the grit level under the polish. The ones you seem to be interested in for the RX-1, should go according to "plan". I'd suggest 1500 - 2000 grit + polish first, then if that's not enough, try 4000 grit + polish. Because of the cores, when I tried 4000 + polish on my SX-1 it became too flippy. That should  be less of a problem with the RX-1.

By the way, if you have a white Trizact pad, that could be an initial alternative to polish because it takes the surface to the 6000 - 8000 grit range. I just did that to a friend's Lane#1 Viper. He hasn't tested it yet. But it leaves the ball with an "almost" shine but an ultra fine surface.

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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 05:26:03 AM »
Hi Charlest, many thanks! I do not have the pads at hand, but considered Finesse-It II. I had good success with this rubbing compound on many balls, but I am afraid that this would actually enhance traction. I rarely get extra length through it, rather better control at the breakpoint.

I also considered adding an extra hole, but I actually do not use more flare or hook, rather a prolonged slide, so polish should be the first route to try.
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 06:00:59 AM »
Hey Dizzy,
I have a Recon drilled with Rico Layout and a dropped Ring Finger (Sarge Easter) -
I polished mine and struggled several times because when the balls hits the dry it flew across the lane like cruise missile - I´ve dulled mine with 1000 Grit Abralon and I´m very satisfied with it.
I also had a TX1 and polished it and got a lot more backend reaction on the ball.

I think you will get more length but also more backend pop on the ball - this could be your solution to play 1st - 2nd arrow with ease on shorter or drier patterns.
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 06:15:29 AM »
That's what I am hoping for. The breakpoint can actually become a bit sharper/pronounced, because my ball hardly flares at all, I am jusr afraid of losing control. The cover seems to be rather smooth, so I hope for the best.

I just had the case with my Pure Hammer, which became a hook monster when polished and only worked controllably when dulled... I hope the RX1 does not behave the same!
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 07:59:12 AM »
Dizzy,

AS per normal with resins, polish will conserve energy and such balls will get more backend. My BG Centaur is a similar beast to the RX-1: Solid with very little flare. Polish got more length (which is what said you were interested in) and more backend.

You could use a polish with a slip agent, like UFO or Delayed Reaction, if you want more length and less backend. Or, if you have enough ball speed, try a 2000 or 3000 grit finish  to get more control but you'll get less length ....
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 08:10:06 AM »
I play rather slow (14-15mph) with medium revs, so I hoped for the RX1's higher RG abnd low differential to conserve energy. This actually works well, and the OOB finish offers very good control. So far, the ball package is convincing, even though the drilling seems to be a bit too weak - but it allows me to play with some hand, so I do not have to work against the ball, just can push it.
But the OOB surface seems to read the lane too early for me - I just almost got mad yesterday in training with it on a ridden lane. I finally ended up with my right foot on 28th board, playing a wide belly hook across 3rd arrow! While I scored well, half the strikes were Brooklyn hits, and the hook just comes from a very good mid lane read. I hope that some polish will push this further down the lane, so that the hook will be delayed. Overall the ball performs well - it is not spectacular to watch, but efficient and, except for the early reading tendency, anything I hoped for.
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 11:36:10 AM »
starting at board 28 with your feet is not truly deep. If the ball is crossing over, the midlane must truly be burnt. SO my question is Are these lanes representative of what you bowl on during league? If so, you do need to stand deeper or add some polish.

Since the ball flares so little, moving the pin will only change the drilled RG and won't change differential or flare that much, unless you add a P4 or double thumb drilling AND are sure you're drilling into the core.

Maybe you really need the new silver Pearl RX-1, with a strong drilling???
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 05:27:17 PM »
I have the same problem. It is a allot stronger than I expected. Don't get me wrong. I love the ball and have been able to score with it but because I am swinging the ball I reaaly have to keep up with the spped and make sure I have a strong release.

My solution is going to the pearl since it should be quite a bit longer than the solid. Can't wait since the solid is a fantastic ball.

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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 01:10:55 AM »
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starting at board 28 with your feet is not truly deep. If the ball is crossing over, the midlane must truly be burnt. SO my question is Are these lanes representative of what you bowl on during league? If so, you do need to stand deeper or add some polish.

Since the ball flares so little, moving the pin will only change the drilled RG and won't change differential or flare that much, unless you add a P4 or double thumb drilling AND are sure you're drilling into the core.

Maybe you really need the new silver Pearl RX-1, with a strong drilling???
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Hmmm, I would not call it representative. When I was there some local players and the pro shop guy were around and confirmed that it was a ridden, used and literally burnt lane, which already saw training sessions and ahd been lying dormant all day. In league, however, this is a potential late game situation because oil tends to be thin, and that's what I bought the RX1 for - for a small, controlled hook.
Anyway, I was surprised to find the RX1 hooking that much and that early on this lane/conditions. At some point I stopped fighting against the ball, trying to send it straight down between 1st and 2nd arrow, and just adjusted my feet to the left - I moved from 19 to 28th board and the target from 8th to 15th board! And the ball still came back (wide arc), with good hitting power.

I think I will have to test the ball in other houses - I do not complain about the ball's performance. OOB it breminds me much of a classic urethane piece, but the reactive shell take its toll, at least on players like me with a rolling release. It just grabs earlier and "better" than expected.
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 04:15:17 AM »
Dizzy,

In the professional reviews (BTM and BJI), the RX-1 handled drier conditions, like the Slingshot and the 300C, but it was the biggest hooker. I think this was because it is both a solid and the finish is a matte finish, not a polished one.

Unless or until you get a smaller hooking ball, I think you need to either polish it with normal polish or use a polish with a slip agent to reduce the backend.

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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 04:40:53 AM »
Totally agree, and I can confirm this impression. Hence the plan to hit it with Lanemasters' stuff. The only other polish I have at hand is Brunswick's High Gloss, but that will IMHO hardly add length. I hope I can touch the ball up this weekend and start trials.

On a fresher shot, the ball was much less aggressive, though, and I think the piece owes much to its good control to the 4.000 grit OOB finish. Therefore i am a bit torn between adding length and sacrificing this good control. But what good is control when you cannot keep the ball on the right half of the lane...

I probably should have waited for the pearl RX1, but this will surely take some months. Now I have to make the best from what I've got, and the basis and the layout is not bad.
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Re: Motivator-X surface changes
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2010, 12:06:01 AM »
Back from the test range. I lightly hit the ball with a 1.500 grit pad from 4 sides, and then added Lanemasters' Polish from 6 sides, lightly. The result is shinier than OOB, but sanding lines are still to make out.

Back again at the same house, this time on a lane in virgin condition - recognizably more oil and more defined wet/dry areas.

To be honest, the first game with the polished RX1 was crap. I was not sure which line to play: with hand behind the ball the RX1 would hook a lot, when trying to compensate with my feet I'd pass the breakpoint and get a washout or bucket leave. I think I wanted to overcome or steer the ball, rather than play it. A 147 was the shocking result, including 3 splits and open frames due to the unknown reaction of the ball with the new surface.

But so far, I could see a clear change in overall reaction. The shinier RX1 would go 4-5' longer (also due to the higher amount of oil now) and start its move with a more defined breakpoint and with more back end movement. While not a snappy ball or a hooker, the difference was easy to see and seemed to go into the intended direction.

But my mind was still set on the arcing move of the OOB finish - therefore, back to basics and the original plan to play between 1st and 2nd arrow.

So I lined up in the 20th board area and checked what the ball would "want" me to do to get it into the pocket. Within 2 shots I went 2 boards to the right (right shoe tip at 18, aiming at 8), and from there reduced my hand position to a straight wrist while controlling length and breakpoint through axis rotation adjustments and hand position changes. This was almost surreal, because it was so easy and effective.
The next 3 games saw a 630 series, including 20 closed frames in a row and with only two open frames in total due to wide open splits while I tried to adjust to the changing conditions on my line with the movement lof my feet. This game strategy seemed to suit the RX1 well - I was able to keep the ball on line and in the pocket just with minimal adjustments (changing axis rotation from 45° to 75° in the course of the session).
On the other side, trying other/deeper lines were not successful - I guess the overall limited hoom potential rather warrants a stable, straight line than a complete re-adjustment on the lane, but this has to be proved through future trials.

With the polished cover, the RX1's overall reaction became much more like that of a reactive piece. It "lost" its smooth, urethane-like arc, its breakpoint became more defined and also the recovery from shots that went too far outside to the gutter has improved. As mentioned before, the ball's length was also considerably improved, but without sacrificing its good predictability and carry.

Positive result!
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