I had recieved this ball from Scott at MOTIV as a seed ball. This ball was laid out with a 5 1/2" x 5" - pin down layout for me, stats in profile. This ball in box was WAAAYYYY to strong for the THS, I bowl in 3 different houses - none which could handle it. Took it down to 500 then went 1000, 2000, 4000 Smoothed it out overall, but still pretty strong. Usually goes in the bag for the 3rd game. Have had some really good sets with it since the surface change, 772, 749, 761. But again this is on THS. Probably for me, I will take it back down to 2000 and leave it for tournaments with longer, higher volume patterns....IMHO