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milorafferty

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Forza SS first impression
« on: August 24, 2017, 11:50:33 AM »

I threw my new Forza SS for the first time last night. It's a bowling ball. Not a bad bowling ball but not a "game changing" bowling ball either.


Is it a "must have" in your bag? No, not if you already have something similar to it like a Revolt Havoc or Forza GT which are pretty much the same ball motion. The SS would sit directly between these two balls with the same shot shape and strength and honestly, there isn't that much room between those two balls anyway. It would be a decent replacement for either of these two balls if you happen to need one.


If you have the Chronic Paranoia, you probably don't need the SS either.


However, if you need an even rolling solid that can handle some oil with a predictable down lane motion, the Forza SS would be a good choice and it's a good value at it's price point.


Sorry Motiv fans, I would have loved to be all geeked up over this ball as I love the Sigma Core. Perhaps I will change my mind after throwing is a few more times, but my first impression is a just "meh, it's usable."
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2017, 04:11:09 PM »
In one of my match play games at the recent PBA60 event in Indiana, my opponent shoot a 270+ game against me with the SS. I was impressed with the control type roll many have described here. 
 
Naturally, in his next match, that same opponent shot a less that 200 game with the SS. Suddenly, he couldn't carry the corners.  ;)
 
It just goes to show there is no magic ball. It's all about the right matchup at the right time. Still, I was impressed at what the SS is good at.
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2017, 07:06:13 PM »
Steven ^^^^
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2017, 05:04:36 PM »
Tried my Forza SS again last night. Still not impressed as a house shot option for me.

I gave it a few tosses in warm-up and decided quickly that it wasn't gonna happen. As last night was sweepers, I couldn't afford to not strike out of the gate, so I changed to my United Revolt. The format is four games, with a swap of opponents and pairs after the first two games.

First and second games 246, 250. Changed pairs and thought my United looked a bit sluggish(But still struck) on the first couple of frames, so I changed to the SS and went more direct to the pocket. Bad choice and finished with a small army of ten pins for a 209.

Changed to my Paranoia for the last game and had a 259 for 964 series. I was throwing the ball well and the SS just can't keep up(for me) on a house shot.

I have no doubt it will be a good ball on flatter patterns, but when you have all that free friction to the right, something about this core and cover combination doesn't match up well for me.

Notice I didn't say sh1t about "not enough hook", "big break down lane" or any of the other non-sense.

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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2017, 08:37:39 PM »
Milo, just out of curiosity, how is yours drilled?
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2017, 08:50:41 PM »
Quote from: Snakster on August 31, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Milo, just out of curiosity, how is yours drilled?

I drill everything pretty much the same. Pin over ring finger with the current directly below for symmetrical cores. My PAP is 5 over on up/down
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2017, 08:55:54 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on August 31, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Snakster on August 31, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Milo, just out of curiosity, how is yours drilled?

I drill everything pretty much the same. Pin over ring finger with the current directly below for symmetrical cores. My PAP is 5 over on up/down
Sounds a lot like me then. Thanks.  I didn't have any problems with GT on house.  In the test drive I did, I just didn't feel like it finished as well as my GT did, or even OG Forza for that matter. I guess it could be related to the sigma core; I've never thrown a sigma ball.  I may be one of the few that is a bit disappointed they went away from the Torx core. 
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2017, 09:04:35 PM »
Quote from: Snakster on August 31, 2017, 08:55:54 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on August 31, 2017, 08:50:41 PM
Quote from: Snakster on August 31, 2017, 08:37:39 PM
Milo, just out of curiosity, how is yours drilled?

I drill everything pretty much the same. Pin over ring finger with the current directly below for symmetrical cores. My PAP is 5 over on up/down
Sounds a lot like me then. Thanks.  I didn't have any problems with GT on house.  In the test drive I did, I just didn't feel like it finished as well as my GT did, or even OG Forza for that matter. I guess it could be related to the sigma core; I've never thrown a sigma ball.  I may be one of the few that is a bit disappointed they went away from the Torx core. 

I love the GT and killed it with the original Forward.

I haven't  gave up on the SS yet. New league season at a different house starts next week and I think it might work well there.

And I haven't changed the surface either so lot of options left yet.
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2017, 09:11:31 PM »
I look forward to reading updates.  :D
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2017, 09:41:30 PM »
Milo, try less surface or light polish. Ball has too strong of a cover for the layout, imo. I went with a 5.5 in pin to pap and left it at box surface. Ball still revs, but has a little left in the tank to finish.
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2017, 09:46:34 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on August 31, 2017, 09:41:30 PM
Milo, try less surface or light polish. Ball has too strong of a cover for the layout, imo. I went with a 5.5 in pin to pap and left it at box surface. Ball still revs, but has a little left in the tank to finish.

I think you are right, the "finish" through the pin deck is less than impressive for me.
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2017, 05:41:46 PM »
Quote from: Impending Doom on August 28, 2017, 09:11:48 AM
Ball is just a great benchmark with nothing flashy going on? If this was any other company, I'd expect discontinued asap. But this is Motiv and they were aiming for this.

Yes, a control ball pure and simple!
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2017, 05:53:43 PM »
Milo, any luck with surface changes?
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Re: Forza SS first impression
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2017, 06:07:36 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on September 27, 2017, 05:53:43 PM
Milo, any luck with surface changes?

I've added a little shine with some decent results, but nothing I'm truly happy with as yet.

I think I need to completely remove the factory surface base and reapply a sanded surface of 3K or so.

I have been using my Trident a lot lately, so the SS has been left out of the bag on THS league nights.
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