Chad Murphy is on Facebook often. I would pm him and let him know the situation, and the response you received from usbc.

Seems that us what the national governing body is supposed to do, govern when the local association is out of line.

Thanks for that tip! Great idea!

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Update....I did call the USBC and spoke to the rules department. The lady totally agreed that it was a rules violation and a protest needs to be filed. Here in lies the problem. I would have to file the protest with the League Secretary/Association President and the President of our league. They are like peas in a pod and I'm more than sure any protest would just be tossed right into the trash can.

follow procedures and file a protest and if they ignore it go up the latter.

(Your going have to prove it in any case, take camera next week take a pic or video of him using it.)

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They both said that those rules didn't apply to our league and if they wanted to they could say most balls are illegal anyways because of pin placement.

Tell them prove it! that the rules don't apply that league.

And tell them as long as the statics weights are legal, the pin can be anywhere, so pin placement don't mean squat as far as the ball being legal.

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I was cracking up at this point. These are the same two knuckleheads that have yet to certify my buddies 300/800 he shot last year. They said the paperwork fell through some cracks. My buddy has been asking them about it for a year!

These guys just don't want to do the job.

 

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I explained all of this to the extremely nice lady from the USBC and she said that she understood, but you have to follow the proper procedures. It seems it's just a huge waste of my time and I'll be opening up a huge can of worms. It just pisses me off to no end that people will knowingly cheat.

 If someone is not prepared to step up to the plate and protest, don't whine & worry about it anymore.

That's like someone seeing a bank robbery and saying I not getting involved and not call the police.

That right there is what's wrong bowling, not the USBC or the ball companies or proprietors. It's the bowler's saying I don't want to get involved, let someone else do it.

I couldn't agree more with what you are saying and I'm filling out the protest tonight and it will be turned in tomorrow. I don't know what will happen, but I totally agree that something has to be done. Thanks everyone for all of your responses!

Who cares if use it? Did he bowl a 900 with the "illegal ball" were his scores out of whack with the rest of the league scores? Did anyone complain 3 weeks ago that he was bowling 900 after 900 with this ball? NO! because it didnt happen. He's probably a regular league guy with a normal avg,,, but since the usbc said this ball is banned ...Now everybody thinks this ball has some extra juice that their ball doesnt. Stop the crying over something that doesnt even matter.

We talk a bunch about integrity in bowling but this seems more like an issue of personal integrity.  If you knowingly violate a rule, whether you agree with it or not, speaks a good deal to that person's character.

As for that doesn't apply in this league, I'd walk down the gutter cap and chuck a ball from 10 feet or so and see if fouling applied in the league.

I'd also say that the USBC is doing a disservice to members by not providing more information to bowlers and league officials who may not follow bowling as closely as many of us do on this board. 

Im getting a replacement so I dont have to hear the lil bitches whine. I'll us it in any non usbc event...which there are plenty of.

Wow, the PBA never approved visionary then one random day pulled the plug on it. Visionary didint pony up the ransom that the PBA requires. If some was using the jackal all year, nobody should care...if someone just went out and bought one ...then that's a different story. Are you feeling the Bern?

Ummm..no BERN here...because the end result is the same. Whatever reason, VBP is not eligible to be used on the PBA and the Jackals cannot be used in any USBC competition. PBA wouldn't allow anyone to use VBP and I would not try. Why would you want to break the rules knowingly? Its like walking in front of a police office and snorting a line of Coke....you are asking for trouble by doing something you know is illegal, regardless of your person thoughts on the subject.

Wowzers,

I know and understand that. I guess I wasn't really asking, as much as being sarcastic. The difference with finding one of those older balls is, that the cover material on the older balls wasn't created with current oils in mind, new balls are. Bottomline, if you take a modern coverstock, and create the most potential flair by altering the core shape, you are increasing traction throughout the entire lane, something that is more beneficial to lower rev, higher speed dominate players, or bowlers bowling on true heavy volumes of oil. I haven't worked with the maps program to really see how carving a core changes ending values, I just go by past experience of knowing what layout I need to use, depending on my customer. If I max out a 0.045 diff ball, a 0.058 diff ball, and a 0.060 ball, the 0.060 ball is going to have the greatest chance of creating the most track flare and yield the highest chance of having fresh cover touching the lane to create traction. You go over that number and the scaled percentages go up consistently with the diff numbers. Basically, I think it would be easier to create an ending diff of 0.070 out of a 0.061 ball, than it would be out of a 0.055 ball. There has to be a point where all manufactures have to have a pre-drilled limit.
The point is, people act like just because you can take a ball and go over the number, that these balls should be over-looked. I'm just saying that the percentages are in the favor of a ball with a higher diff to create more traction, especially with some of the oils that have been coming out these last few years. I know personally, I need to use stronger layouts than years past, to create proper roll through the pins, especially when I see Ice oil on Pro-Anvilehang.