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jman76

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Using a Jackal
« on: March 31, 2016, 09:02:48 AM »
Last night in my USBC Sanctioned bowling league a bowler in the league was using his Motiv Jackal. I politely told him that the ball was banned and he risked losing his scores if he kept using it. He politely told me that those rules don't pertain to this league. That kind of bothered me because he has been a President of a league before and he knows the rules. I then talked it over with our current league secretary who also happens to be President of our local USBC Association and he said the same exact thing! I said how can you use a ball in a USBC sanctioned league that has been banned? He just kind of grumbled and walked away. Then another guy in our league, who happens to hold his PBA card, notice the bowler using the Jackal as well. He went right up to the Secretary and said the same thing I did. The Secretary said responded by saying that he knew and that he had taken care of it. Really? Because I watched the guy use it all night long and the Secretary never said a word to him. This angered a few teams and mind boggled me that the Secretary and President of our Association turned a blind eye to an obvious rules infraction. I'm not trying to be a big baby about this, but how can you let a bowler use a banned ball? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2016, 09:23:28 AM »
If it went down the way it did, and you want to enforce the ban, you need to report it to the next highest reporting rung above your association.
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Gene J Kanak

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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2016, 09:36:24 AM »
Truth. If your league is certified, then USBC rules have to be followed. To my knowledge, there is no provision that allows local leagues to make their own rules regarding equipment like that. As such, the ball absolutely should've been pulled from play.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2016, 09:57:46 AM »
File a protest. Shouldn't be an issue.
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tommygn

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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2016, 10:07:41 AM »
Quote from: Gene J Kanak on March 31, 2016, 09:36:24 AM
Truth. If your league is certified, then USBC rules have to be followed. To my knowledge, there is no provision that allows local leagues to make their own rules regarding equipment like that. As such, the ball absolutely should've been pulled from play.

To add to what Gene stated.

You can make a rule in a league that only allows certain types of balls in play, like plastic, our urethane only, but those balls HAVE to be USBC approved. You cannot make a rule for a league, that is sanctioned, that allows something that goes directly against USBC specification rules, like non conforming bowling balls, or non compliant lane conditions.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2016, 10:26:52 AM »
He/She gets zero for the night, IF you want to push the issue. If it didn't have an effect on the actual league results, you might not want to fight this particular battle. As we all know, league bowlers can be some of the most unreasonable, petty people on the planet.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2016, 11:17:45 AM »
I would report your association president to the the national USBC office. One call to headquarters should take care of this problem.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2016, 11:36:01 AM »
There was a girl who shot her FIRST 300 with a Jackal a couple nights ago because the other pro shop in town told her it was ok to use.  Now, our association heads won't accept/process the paperwork with that ball on it, and they also won't accept paperwork with a different ball marked down, everyone has been informed.  She just kinda got screwed. 

Now does it really matter?  No, ball is illegal because it's illegal, not because there's any reason for that rule being there in the first place, but illegal is still illegal whether there's a good reason for it or not, and telling people not to throw the ball is protection for THEM, not because people think they're cheating by using them.  This girl will likely never throw 300 again, and for her only one, she's not going to get anything.  Mostly because USBC is stupid and that rule is pointless, but I digress . .
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2016, 11:54:22 AM »
Unreal IT. Unreal. I feel horrible for the lady. I hope she can shoot 300 again.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2016, 01:21:10 PM »
Sorry, IT, but the pro shop operator who told her it was okay to use that ball is the one who should feel bad there.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2016, 03:15:33 PM »
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 31, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
I would report your association president to the the national USBC office. One call to headquarters should take care of this problem.

Update....I did call the USBC and spoke to the rules department. The lady totally agreed that it was a rules violation and a protest needs to be filed. Here in lies the problem. I would have to file the protest with the League Secretary/Association President and the President of our league. They are like peas in a pod and I'm more than sure any protest would just be tossed right into the trash can. They both said that those rules didn't apply to our league and if they wanted to they could say most balls are illegal anyways because of pin placement. I was cracking up at this point. These are the same two knuckleheads that have yet to certify my buddies 300/800 he shot last year. They said the paperwork fell through some cracks. My buddy has been asking them about it for a year! I explained all of this to the extremely nice lady from the USBC and she said that she understood, but you have to follow the proper procedures. It seems it's just a huge waste of my time and I'll be opening up a huge can of worms. It just pisses me off to no end that people will knowingly cheat.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2016, 03:19:39 PM »
Sounds like someone needs to open a can of worms on those two for what they did/are doing to your buddy. Might as well stir the pot.

Let us know how it works out and what you do.
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2016, 03:24:11 PM »
Quote from: jman76 on March 31, 2016, 03:15:33 PM
Quote from: AMF300bowler on March 31, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
I would report your association president to the the national USBC office. One call to headquarters should take care of this problem.

Update....I did call the USBC and spoke to the rules department. The lady totally agreed that it was a rules violation and a protest needs to be filed. Here in lies the problem. I would have to file the protest with the League Secretary/Association President and the President of our league. They are like peas in a pod and I'm more than sure any protest would just be tossed right into the trash can. They both said that those rules didn't apply to our league and if they wanted to they could say most balls are illegal anyways because of pin placement. I was cracking up at this point. These are the same two knuckleheads that have yet to certify my buddies 300/800 he shot last year. They said the paperwork fell through some cracks. My buddy has been asking them about it for a year! I explained all of this to the extremely nice lady from the USBC and she said that she understood, but you have to follow the proper procedures. It seems it's just a huge waste of my time and I'll be opening up a huge can of worms. It just pisses me off to no end that people will knowingly cheat.

I would push the issue just because of those two idiots...
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2016, 03:30:18 PM »
Chad Murphy is on Facebook often. I would pm him and let him know the situation, and the response you received from usbc.

Seems that is  what the national governing body is supposed to do, govern when the local association is out of line.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2016, 03:44:26 PM by tommygn »
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Re: Using a Jackal
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2016, 03:32:08 PM »
That's a great idea Tommy!!!!!!
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