Ok, I ordered a Tribal.  I'm also an idiot, so I won't be bowling lefthanded next year.  Looking to add a Covert Revolt and a Sting most likely, hopefully there wouldn't be much overlap there? 

On edit, I usually don't deviate very far with layouts, I use ball design for the differences.  Layouts usually stay between 60-75 initial angle, 4-5 pin, and 35-50 val angle. 

Awesome.  I'll still have the Sigma Tour in the middle there too.  No, don't run into toast much, and if I do, I can get as deep as I need to. 

Haha yeah . .  Don't know why I ever got away from them in the first place.  Saw a couple other people throwing a Tour, knew I had to have it.  Then I got the Sigma Hybrid, but as soon as the Brutal Nightmare came out I had to drill one of those, then I got into Seismic for a bit.  Keep seeing these ridiculously awesome pieces coming out, drilled a Rage lefty, and then one for the wife.  I've been in the business for a while and see all kinds of stuff, but Motiv literally has the best stuff out there right now.  Just gonna go with it!

You know in thinking about it, you could take the sting out and replace it with the shock for a little more separation. Then again, with the tour that makes you pretty solid-heavy. Just a thought.

Tribal is my best all around ball by far. It matches so well to my game and the shots I see.

However the Shock has me intrigued. All the vids look great but BJI rated it longer than the Tribal which baffles me??? Turmoil @4000 should be earlier than the Polished Fusion Pearl on the Tribal no?

And btw, I felt the same way about the Tribal as you do...I like the shock a lot better. Enough ball to throw on heavy ish oil, not too much to where you can't throw it through a whole set on ths. Phenomenal ball. Carry is ridiculous, hits like a Motiv. Feels like cheating.

And btw, I felt the same way about the Tribal as you do...I like the shock a lot better. Enough ball to throw on heavy ish oil, not too much to where you can't throw it through a whole set on ths. Phenomenal ball. Carry is ridiculous, hits like a Motiv. Feels like cheating.

Tribal was 30/4.25/40 pre drill and even with sizeable P3 it wound up 60/4.25/40 post drill when spun on the Determinator.

If I wanted the Shock to read earlier but still have the strong move similar to the Tribal could I put the same layout on it or do you suggest a stronger pin to pap?

Thanks for the help!