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tenpinspro

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Why try Motiv...part 2
« on: March 30, 2011, 03:26:51 PM »
Okay, interesting topics for discussion here.  scotts33 feels that versatility is a better answer for a bowler to adjust to.  While I agree in part, the difficulty I've seen in many bowlers is the ability to be versatile.  Not every bowler has touch or enough finesse to do this plus it took years of practice for me to not only learn but also be able to "repeat" different hand positions. Some of us older guys had no choice growing up with hard rubber and plastic, we couldn't just switch balls so we "had" to learn.  Nowadays...bowlers don't have to learn. 
 
Muscle memory is also a son of a gun to try and break.  Tell me if this isn't true. You can watch a bowler walk into a bowl and he walks fine/normal whatever.  Now let him put on "bowling" shoes, put a ball in his hand and put him on the approach.  Bingo! In only 6-8 feet of approach, out pops a bounce, a hop, a skip, a jump, running, striding...you name it, that bowler forgets how to "walk". 
 
We all have a preconceived notion of how something should be done and it gets translated into our bowling form pretty significantly (as well as a baseball bat, tennis racquet, golf club...etc).  Most likely the individuals I mentioned above have also been doing this for years, you can spot them halfway across a bowl just by his/her style. Because of this, even slight changes to a bowler can cause inaccuracy in repetition because it's not what they are used to.
 
I've taken enough bowlers who were true down and in and tried and teach them to slightly swing a ball (say 12 to 8). In order to swing,  the physical positioning of our body and shoulders must be slightly open as opposed to a down and in position which allows for our shoulders to be shut down or parallel to the foul line.  What happened when I moved their feet in to hit 12? Yep, their shoulders still shut down and they tugged it down 12 board.  Muscle memory is not easy to break...


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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2011, 12:20:22 PM »
Oh how true this is =)

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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 12:31:29 PM »
 "I've taken enough bowlers who were  true down and in and tried and teach them to slightly swing a ball (say  12 to 8). In order to swing,  the physical positioning of our body and  shoulders must be slightly open as opposed to a down and in position  which allows for our shoulders to be shut down or parallel to the foul  line.  What happened when I moved their feet in to hit 12? Yep, their  shoulders still shut down and they tugged it down 12 board.  Muscle  memory is not easy to break..."
 
Since, I was addressed....I'll explain how I was taught in the 60's to "fix" Rick's issue.  Old school is to walk straight and open up shoulders to the strike line.  Pre-set shoulders and keep them set to the strike line.  I still do this today.  Not sure why this type of learning process could not be learned today.  It would take some repetition as any learning method would.  Nothing comes easy and maybe that's the question.....folks of today's society want easy remedies and won't put in the time to re-learn or "fix" a malady?  Hence, we have a new ball coming out every 2 months....grab another ball instead of adding axis rotation, etc.  Happily Motiv doesn't seem to be in that realm.


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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 01:16:43 PM »
+1 Scott, I have said in a previous thread, MOTIV is building a quality line from top to bottom and not loading it up every month with the newest and biggest hook monsters......good quality stuff with great performance. Having more fun this year beating up on the NANOS and ALPHA MAX's and especially the 250K, supposedly that ball is money.....huh?
 
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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 02:44:46 PM »
Havent went down the Motiv path yet, altho I think I will eventually (havent needed a ball yet), but I will say I'm enjoying beating people in my league with my Visionary equipment...ha!  Got to love small companies that put out quality products! 


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NeumannKnight

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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 06:24:08 PM »
just shot 300 781 with my Cruel on Monday. I am highly please with Motiv products.
 
Also, smaller companies do make better equipment. I've noticed all my smaller company equipment lasts so much longer than the big 3 and their sub companies.
 
 I have a Nu-Line Gauntlet that I used for a long time and was whacking every house with it.
 
Motiv equipment is definitely worth the investment 


I'm in the process of trying to find out where I fit in the bowling world. I do not know my tech specs of my game, but it's all a learning process.
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tenpinspro

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Re: Why try Motiv...part 2
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 09:43:34 PM »
Nice bowling Neumannknight, congrats.
 
I did this scotts (I learned it as "square to your target") but the bowler consistently reverted back to his old feel at the point of release.  Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on versatility, just watch too many bowlers not want to or can't do it, not sure as why either.  Not sure if it's lack of athleticism or desire but since "changing" someone seemed to be fairly difficult, I decided to go with their strengths. 
 
The house shots out here on the west coast don't help either.  They're extremely over/under, it's like nobody knows how to blend a shot out.
scotts33 wrote on 3/31/2011 12:31 PM:
 "I've taken enough bowlers who were  true down and in and tried and teach them to slightly swing a ball (say  12 to 8). In order to swing,  the physical positioning of our body and  shoulders must be slightly open as opposed to a down and in position  which allows for our shoulders to be shut down or parallel to the foul  line.  What happened when I moved their feet in to hit 12? Yep, their  shoulders still shut down and they tugged it down 12 board.  Muscle  memory is not easy to break..."
 
Since, I was addressed....I'll explain how I was taught in the 60's to "fix" Rick's issue.  Old school is to walk straight and open up shoulders to the strike line.  Pre-set shoulders and keep them set to the strike line.  I still do this today.  Not sure why this type of learning process could not be learned today.  It would take some repetition as any learning method would.  Nothing comes easy and maybe that's the question.....folks of today's society want easy remedies and won't put in the time to re-learn or "fix" a malady?  Hence, we have a new ball coming out every 2 months....grab another ball instead of adding axis rotation, etc.  Happily Motiv doesn't seem to be in that realm.


Scott



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