well lefty the Ultimates arte being thrown by classic dump and chuckers....
All were gotten in a get a ball league in a house about 1/2 hour from me. ALl are drilled what would be 4" stacked for me (pin right of ring with cg stacked under).
One is sanded to like 400 yes the ultimate dump and roll outer, one is gloss polished thrown at about 10 MPH up the dry, one is a full roller and the other is used by a guy that throws a straight ball.
I used my Hybrid tonight (5x4, pin over ring) and did what I found on Saturday...played the ball 15 to 10 and just rolled it off my hand with no lift at the bottom. I shot 215 with 1 miss, 168 by missing 3 spares and a split and then a 197 with 2 splits. Although it is not great, it's better than I have been doing.
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
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