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walt8398

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$3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« on: April 04, 2009, 02:49:42 PM »
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Just wanted to let you know, VMSBT will be running the 2nd Annual Baltimore/Washington Summer Scratch Classic again at BRC Perry Lanes August 15-16, 2009 paying $3,000 1st place GUARANTEED.  Last year we had 139 entries and we expect that number to increase this year. Just like last year, I will be taking reservations via the website: http://www.vmsbt.com/VMSBT_Form.html and you can also view the flyer for the event there as well: http://www.vmsbt.com/BWSSC_2009.pdf

I will also have the pattern up on the website as soon as I determine which pattern I want to use. As some of you may know, I’m a big fan of Kegel patterns and we will have another one this year.

•   Entry fee:  $140 ($115 prize fund, $20 lineage, $5 expenses) payable by CASH ONLY
•   Survival boards: $10/ea (Starting games 2, 4 and 6)
•   High game pot: $40 (covers all 8 games of qualifying)
•   Winner Take All (WTA): $10 (Game 8 ONLY)
•   Brackets: $5/ea (3 sets) Starting games 2, 4 and 6
•   High Game of Day (Included in entry fee)
•   High Senior out of the money prize (50 and over bowlers)
•   High Female out of the money prize

THE LANES WILL BE STRIPPED AND RE-OILED AFTER THE 9AM SQUAD.

Please pass the word along about this great event to all your friends. We are only taking 88 bowlers per squad.

Looking forward to getting those reservations.





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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2009, 11:24:44 AM »
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Donald Trump....The reason the prize fund was so good was because there was added money.  There is no guarantee that the people/businesses that added money would able to do it 3 or 4 times a year.  Plus the year of build up and promoting helps make the tournament keep getting 140 plus entries each year.
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I certainly see your point however if you break down the payout to money taken in, we’re talking roughly $19,500 paid out.  Either cut the pay ratio down or lower 3rd through 20th slightly and you could have almost a similar prize fund assuming you get the same lineage deal without added money (I’m sure there will still be some added money) but if not 150 entries will still allow a little over $18,000 in the prize fund.

No reason why you cannot do it quarterly based off of the $140 entry fee.  4 times a year definitely does not flood the market and pays a lot better than a regional would that costs nearly twice as much.


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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2009, 11:27:02 AM »
ctk4life... Getting added money is always a tough job.  For example just because the person/company can afford to give $1000 once a year to add to the prize fund doesn't mean they can keep doing that 3 & 4 times a year.  You have to take and appreciate what we can get.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2009, 11:27:02 AM »
ctk4life... Getting added money is always a tough job.  For example just because the person/company can afford to give $1000 once a year to add to the prize fund doesn't mean they can keep doing that 3 & 4 times a year.  You have to take and appreciate what we can get.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2009, 01:02:13 PM »
No I definitely agree with that. I was just thinking along the lines that if they get the turn out like that each year and Tony proposed to do it quarterly they could possibly implement advertising more of their products or figuring out ways in which they could retain that money. In the grand scheme of things $1000 isnt really a lot of money so if a donor sees that it is a success they might go out and try to see if they can not get some in return from the players while they are providing for the players. I hope that makes some sort of sense LOL......

Also, with the success Tony has had at running these tournaments as well as the entries from all over, other people might be apt to duplicate or even donate to his tournament so essentially there could be quarterly tournaments such as this
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2009, 01:21:37 PM »
I am going to disagree here I have been in marketing for a long time and doing this once a year is great... trust me you start doing it more then that entries drop sponsors drop less money is had. If you have that one big event a year its all worth it. I think tony did a great job especially with the way the market is right now! wish I coulda came but it was my bday and i was working in virgina.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2009, 01:33:53 PM »
While I agree and somewhat disagree what if other TD's put on their own version of Tony's? Would that not cause for entries to maintain at each venue? I am just wondering because if the intake is positive maybe we can make it possible. Tony's tournament was awesome and if there were more like it I think we would see a rampant growth. Who knows what could amount.......
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #97 on: August 17, 2009, 05:24:22 PM »
Hey all


Thanks for the compliments and I am glad you guys enjoyed it. I have a great group to work with and I couldn't do this tournament without their assistance.

What a great finish, huh? Two years in a row, it came down to the tenth frame for the winner to be determined. I love round robin match-play and the 50 bonus pins really puts a premium on winning matches. Some think 50 is too much. You only have 9 games to catch the leader instead of 16 or 24. The bowler that qualified 20th was 112 pins from the leader. That's only 2 wins from making that up. He or she should feel like they have a chance to win. THE LEAD CHANGED 7 OUT OF 9 GAMES OF MATCH-PLAY! IMHO, you can't ask for better equity than that.

As far as running BW SSC 4 times a year, I disagree. The fact that it is only once a year is what makes it SPECIAL. I use the TNBA Rhodman (which is held in March) as my deadline to get things organized. I am able to promote the event for 5 months at various events that I compete in as well. Time to promote and send out emails is PARAMOUNT. 40 Boards starts promoting Opposites Attract almost a year in advance. That has resulted in their entries to grow every year (65 plus doubles teams in '09).

Now for the "Pink Elephant" in the room. We bowled on Kegel's Beaten Path pattern this past weekend. I really didn't expect the finals and cash numbers to be what they were (plus 49 and plus 32 respectively). IMO, I felt the pattern was VERY FAIR left to right. Given the angle that you had to play, being able to tilt the ball on the back was VERY IMPORTANT. Ray Smarsh totally showed that "STRAIGHT WAS GREAT" from the inside angle as he lead qualifying with plus 161. The eventual winner (Tony Bennett) hooked it but he was VERY straight through the front part of the lane. I think anybody that bowled this past weekend will tell you that if you looped the front part of the lane, YOU PAID THE PRICE. I checked the numbers and squad equity was 100%. 10 bowlers from 9:30am and 10 bowlers from 4:30pm made the match-play finals.

Last but not least, I want to thank YOU GUYS (bowlers) that really made this tournament a success. UNTIL NEXT YEAR!
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #98 on: August 17, 2009, 05:58:38 PM »
Well said bro!

You absolutely cannot run a tournament like that 4 times a year. Do they run the Tournament of Champions more than once a season? Nope, it would not be that special tournament folks look towards. Please understand that if it were run multiple times a year, some of those out of state entries would pick and choose when to come so the entries would go down. As it stands, the bowlers know that come August, it's time to bowl BWSSC!!!
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #99 on: August 17, 2009, 09:53:21 PM »
Tony,

This is the first tournament in a long time where 3 games over 200 could make you good money in brackets.  Alot of times if you're not shooting 220-230 a game, you can kiss brackets goodbye.  Here, if you shooot a solid mid-high 190 you had a super chance of getting through some of your brackets.

The shot was great on both sides regardless of where you played or had to play, you had to catch a few breaks and make a lot of spares.  Striking was not as easy so missing a spare or two made it that much harder to get to 200 thus, making it fair.  This was truly a tournament that placed more emphasis on shot making and spare shooting than coming in and throwing it like Stevie Wonder.

Great job again to you and your staff.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2009, 07:53:35 AM »
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While I agree and somewhat disagree what if other TD's put on their own version of Tony's? Would that not cause for entries to maintain at each venue? I am just wondering because if the intake is positive maybe we can make it possible. Tony's tournament was awesome and if there were more like it I think we would see a rampant growth. Who knows what could amount.......


Exactly my point.  What if 5 other people try something like this.  In your alls opinions that would be saturating the tournament market.  You cannot prevent them from doing it so why not do it a few more times per year in a manner people enjoy and respect.  At least twice a year.  Upwards to 4 times per year IMHO.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2009, 07:56:21 AM »
The results should be up today. I finished them last night and emailed them to my webmaster.

I will also post pictures on my FaceBook page from the tournament as well. Again, thanks to everyone that participated, passed along a flyer, sent an email about this event or just said something by word of mouth. THANKS YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

I am looking forward to next year's event already!
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2009, 09:16:24 AM »
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While I agree and somewhat disagree what if other TD's put on their own version of Tony's? Would that not cause for entries to maintain at each venue? I am just wondering because if the intake is positive maybe we can make it possible. Tony's tournament was awesome and if there were more like it I think we would see a rampant growth. Who knows what could amount.......


Exactly my point.  What if 5 other people try something like this.  In your alls opinions that would be saturating the tournament market.  You cannot prevent them from doing it so why not do it a few more times per year in a manner people enjoy and respect.  At least twice a year.  Upwards to 4 times per year IMHO.


You sort of already have that.

Jeff and his Opposite Attracts in June

Darnell had his in July

Tony has his in August.

Yvette has hers at Greenway I think in October

Jim Smith Big One draws well in Late Dec.

Bull Run's Red Eye sells out in late Jan.

Leisure's Super Bowl Sunday Tournament draws really well in Feb.

Rhodman in March.

Right there you have 8 "annual" tournaments in 8 different months. Not all if any are in the payout category of the BWSSC but they are 8 once a year tournaments that draw pretty well, pay pretty well (better than the average monthly tournaments), that people are there for those once a year events more so than the monthly options of VMSBT, 40 Boards, RT, Jim Smith.

Now we need we just need to get April, May, Sept and November filled  

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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2009, 09:41:10 AM »
I have to agree that once a year is what will make this tournament grow and be special.  People will know the time of the year (just like the Rhodman, World Match Games, Cleveland, etc) and will have it on their calendars.  Heck, the summer is my golf time and I have BWSSC and OA on my calendar

The BWSSC was extremely well run and the shot was tricky but playable. Like Walton said, you could hook it as long as you played them straight through the fronts.  You had to take advantage of the pairs where you had a little room and make up ground and just hang on and fill frames on the tricky pairs.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2009, 10:55:03 AM »
Thanks for pointing out that there are plenty of "annual" tournaments filling up the calendar.

What I am hearing is that folks want to bowl for what they call BIG MONEY! Raise your hand if you make $125/hr at work after taxes...In case you don't know, that means you make $250K/year. That's what winning $500 in 4 hours of bowling equals. And if you want to bowl for the big pay days, are you willing to kick out the extra money to enter once a month?

There are two schools of thought when it comes to a bigger prize fund when there are no sponsors in sight. Either charge more to bowl or grow the field. A bigger field is a better answer since most of us are not millionaires. So where are the bowlers? The answer I like best, “I don’t come because there aren’t enough people.” Money Bags is a great example, since people have asked me “Why do they draw so many people?” If you have ever been to a MBST event, take a look around and note all of the faces you don't know or NEVER see at other tournaments. I am glad they have tapped into a new source, potentially a few of those bowlers might venture out to bowl other tournaments.

Entries are affected by bowlers using what I call “hand-holding” when it comes to bowling tournaments. Joe Bowler will never go to a tournament alone but if some of his crew is going, they are all in! TNBA is an excellent example with an excessively high expense line, pots aren’t paid back at 100% and the prize fund is not that great. Does that stop folks from going, no sir. Joe Bowler’s friends are going and Joe doesn’t want to be left out so he goes. Maybe if Joe Bowler decides to go, that will start a ripple affect as his friends will now want to go. Truthfully, until we stop hand-holding to make a decision, the entries are going to suffer.

40 Boards could easily pay more up top. If you have not looked closely at our prize fund, we try to pay low to cash 2x the entry. Why? How many people can win any given tournament? One! I cannot tell you how many times we've heard, "WOW! I get that much." Spending $100 between your entry & pots and cashing for $60 will not keep your bowling funds alive. Even at Opposites Attract, it cost $300 to enter and the smallest check we handed out was $600 while first took home $4,000.
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Re: $3,000 1st Place GUARANTEED - 2009 B/W Summer Scratch Classic
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2009, 11:12:05 AM »
QUESTION???

Of those asking for more tournaments, did you bowl BWSSC? Some of you I know the answer since I know your screen name or you actually sign your name to your post.
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