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Mike L

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« on: June 21, 2010, 03:33:50 AM »
Heres a question, how come bowlers can understand when a golfer goes out and struggles but yet bowling they don''t?

For example here at my center I overheard a few guys talking last night about man they are struggling, imagine what we would do on that course?

However, when they see a pba guy struggle, the same people say well hell I can bowl better than that or talk about how bad those guys are.

What is the difference?  Tough courses make for higher scores, and tougher lanes make for lower scores, its the samething to me.  

This is why its a dying sport!  (Not brackets like alot of people say)
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TDC57

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 11:52:38 AM »
Just another post trying to draw people in to bash league bowlers and bring the bowling snobs back to add their wisdom. There have always been league bowlers who talk foolishly and there always will be. To group them with league bowlers who know the difference between Pros and everyone else is boneheaded thinking. Thanks for starting another one of those threads.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 12:25:34 PM »
What are you talking about?  I run a center with nothing but league bowlers.  Im asking how come ALL bowlers can''t see the difference?  150 or 240 doesn''t matter, 98% have the same mentality.  They think everything is the same whereever they bowl, but yet they see a golfer struggle and understand it.  Im just asking why is that?  Im not bashing anybody just asking why don''t bowlers understand its different too?

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baer300

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2010, 03:02:12 PM »
Mike is right. I see what he is saying. Your average league bowler thinks this way. Hey Walter Ray shot 160... I can do that. But when Tiger is +3 for a round it is wow course is tough. I personally know Mike and he is in no way bashing anyone. I am not as well. This is a good question that I can not answer as well.
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TDC57

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2010, 03:56:50 PM »
Adam.

How can you be on the staff of Brunswick and believe and say such bullchit. You are an imbecile if you think 98% of all bowlers have this stupid mentality you have puked forth? If you had a brain you would know that 98% understand that when they see PBA guys shoot bad score they are on a demanding condition. You must be a young guy because many of the young guys who haven't been around bowling for too long may have some sort of silly notion like that but any guy, even an average league bowler that's been around, knows what's up. Quit trying to make excuses for such snobbish thinking. I have never been around one average league bowler who thought they could handle PBA guys. Why don't you wake up and realize the difference between guys talking smart when they see a pro shooting a bad score and what these same guys know for a fact.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2010, 04:14:54 PM »
Because you can see the hazards, feel the wind, see the small tough undulating greens, etc.  You can't see oil.
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 04:23:15 PM »
My guess would be that its because you can physically see whats on the golf course and all of its attributes. If they could physically see the lane oil and know all of that particular lanes attributes it might be different.

As far as bowlers thinking they can beat the pros I can't tell you how many times I've been at a tournament where they had the PBA on and heard someone say that pro just shot 220 and I had 258 so I could compete with them.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 05:01:17 PM »
Way to go Mike and Adam you got that guy all fired up!!! hahaha


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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 05:39:48 PM »
Mike L I agree with you that by watching golfers struggles on one course but play great on the other.There is several factors involved in golf that one may struggle and other times not.Not all the courses are the same.Just like in bowling there is several factors involved as well.Amount of oil and how it is applied plus either wood  or not.Also that bowling centers are not the same by what I mention in the last paragraph.So even league bowlers struggle as well as Pros.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2010, 06:13:24 PM »
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Because you can see the hazards, feel the wind, see the small tough undulating greens, etc.  You can't see oil.
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exactly! plus almost everyone has had an amazing day of bowling and feel its easy. not so much with golf.
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T C 300

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2010, 06:51:18 PM »
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Because you can see the hazards, feel the wind, see the small tough undulating greens, etc.  You can''t see oil.
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F A I L!!!! you can see/feel the "hazards" in bowling also.. 1)oil- can see your ball reaction. to much hook, not enough
2)feel the wind- the bowling alley may be hot or ice cold, cause you to hang up in the ball or drop it.
3)undalating greens- approaches may be slippery or tacky....
4) maybe you should think of one this time. come on lil buddy, you can do it!!


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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2010, 06:56:05 PM »
I think it might have to do with us hack bowlers having a great day now and then. But even a very good amature golfer will rarely shoot in the mid 70's, even on a muni course(and that's from the blue tees where the pros play from the blacks). Not to mention, there will never be a "perfect" score in the game of golf.
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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2010, 07:42:42 PM »
TDC57, Maybe it is different where you are from. I am not saying that all bowlers feel this way. I worked in a center for about 5 years and heard it alot. I would here I can shoot that what makes them so great... Now, I am not work at a center anymore so I am not around this as much. Believe me I am not bashing on talking down upon anyone. Maybe if there were more sport leagues in this area there would be a different view at times. There are more now then there ever were and some people are starting to see that there is more than the THS and that there are more factors then throwing the ball down the lane. You can think what you want about me and that I am bashing people but you don't know me. I love this sport and enjoy helping people become better at understanding all aspects of this sport. Thanks for your criticism.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2010, 07:10:08 AM »
Hey Mr Ed Onkey... How does it feel to be on both sides of this post. You are a great golfer,(cough), took time to clear my throat on that one,and you are a WAY better then average house bowler, who does seek out tournament bowled on tougher patterns like the two KEGEL series and the PBA patterns except for this center.PS,thanks for missing another one of my tournaments this past weekend, but it was good you stopped in and watched... Eddie, what do YOU think? I think Mike is right to a certain point, but seeing the landscape of a golf course is much more eye appealing then looking at a oil pattern graph, is not in 3D. You can feel and see the contour in the holes, you can feel the sand, you and see how the grass was cut on the green and each every hole is different, where a lane is flat with just different amount of "hazards" placed on it. I do hear at my center, WOW! I could beat that pro on that condition, because they cannot "read" what they lane condition looks like from just a lane graph put up on the screen. They don't understand ball motion, oil carrying down, and much lighting effects the condition, and how much lane surfaces play a part in how the condition is applied. Because we as center manager want league bowlers to pay our bills and the only way right now is to allow league bowlers to grip it and rip it to high scores.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2010, 08:59:09 AM »
I agree with what Adam and Rick have to say.  This was started as an opinion topic and in no way it is intended to bash anybody.  The 2 sports seem to have similarities, but with golf you can physically see the obstacles.  In bowling, there are more than just sand traps, wind conditions, break on the green, and rough.  A better than average bowler needs to know what their equipment does and know when to adjust when the lane conditions change.  I have been there plenty of times in tournaments when there are many people scoring high and make it look easy, and I have no clue what ball to throw or where to throw it on the lanes.  Like Rick said, you can look at the oil pattern graphs all day to make up a game plan But, unless you know what balls to use including what lane surface, ball surface, and type of reaction you need to score higher, then you might struggle because of changing conditions including who you bowl with in league or follow in a tournament.  Not ALL THS are the same everywhere, and they play different week to week.  Also, the lane conditions change quickly and very rarely stay the same throughout the games.  To conclude about the original topic of understanding a struggling golfer, it seems that when a golfer isn't playing well, there is a hope that they can turn it around on the next hole.  When a bowler is struggling, there is less time to adjust especially in a 1 game match.  I guess people think that bowling is easier because there are less variables on a lane indoors versus outside at a golf course.  Also, most people can go out to ANY golf course and see the conditions first hand which helps them relate easier.  In bowling it isn't every day when you can go down to the local lanes, and have them put a specific oil pattern just for you to practice a few games.
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