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dursty

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I worked on getting a friend of mine to bowl at Northside on Sunday.  He said it was too far (about 40 minutes farther) to go so he ended up bowling three squads at the Freestate tournament in Frederick instead.  He ended up bowling well shooting like 740 760 780 for the three squads, cashing once and basically broke even for the day.   I thought that was pretty funny but typical to at the same time.  Maybe it felt better to average 250 and lose money, I don't know but it's a common theme with bowlers on THS tournaments.  But I've been working on him to come out and start supporting more local tournaments and I think he will start coming out which brings me to something that I think we can do as the core supporters of local scratch tournaments.

I'm thinking maybe we need to try and start more of a grass roots effort in recruiting tournament bowlers.  That means really start talking to the bowlers -individually- about trying some of the great scratch tournaments we have in our area.  I probably have 7 or 8 guys just in my Tuesday night league alone that I could talk to about coming out and bowling some scratch tournaments over the next couple of months.  Honestly a lot of times the guys just don't know about what's going on locally, and if you're not a tournament regular you do tend to miss out on what's going on.   I say let's make a real effort in league to talk individually to everybody that might be the type to bowl a scratch tournament.  Let them know what's going on that weekend, which tournaments they might bowl in, what the conditions might be like, what the scoring pace might be.  You would be surprised how many guys have no clue what there is to bowl in.

If each one of us (meaning the 15 or 20 or so regulars) could find a couple bowlers to 'mentor' we can start building the entries.  Maybe you have a friend that's on the edge about bowling scratch tournaments.  Try offering to carpool with them to the tournament site so they will have to commit to the tournament and not flake out.   Carpooling might work especially if one of the tournaments venues that are some distance away like York, Elkton, Blue Hen, and Winchester where it's longer drive.  

Here's a novel idea.  Really try mentoring some of these new recruits and give some of these newer players advice if you have something that you think might help them and it's constructive.   If they don't bowl well for whatever reason, talk to them about what happened.  Instead of telling them they have no chance, tell them they were just in the wrong zone, they need to work on their spares more in practice, get better at playing out, playing in, give them a pep talk, whatever.  Every time you bowl you want to learn something, usually bowling poorly are the times where you tend to learn the most.   Give them something that they can build on so they will keep on coming out.   Try and make each tournament outing a positive experience for them even when they didn't score well.  That's what I mean by being a mentor.   Demoralizing them, telling them how bad they are isn't a good formula for getting them to return and try to improve.  As far as cost goes, let them know that if you're just paying the entry fee (no brackets etc.) getting tournament experience isn't that expensive and let them know that as well.


The more tournaments they bowl in it will become a habit and that's what you need.   When these guys start becoming regulars then they can start recruiting more bowlers.  

In closing I think we can build the fields from a grass roots level but we have to work at it as individuals.  If the regulars could just get one more guy we would almost immediately have 45 to 50 guys very quickly.  As somebody mentioned earlier the more guys the lower the cuts are going to be and the cash spots aren't going to be 'unreachable'.  


Edited on 3/19/2009 12:50 PM

 

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You hit the nail on the head with the fact people would rather average 250 and lose than average 195 and get some money back.  It's just the way it is for some reason.  Also, it is hard to get people to pay $60-80 to bowl a tournament every weekend, then get them to come back when they are losing and finishing near the bottom.  It also goes back to the disposable income issue that I stated in the other thread.

I don't bowl many tournaments anymore because a) I am not very good and b) the desire/importance of bowling in my life is just not very high anymore.  But when I do decide to bowl one, it is usually out in Chambersburg or Hagerstown.  Yes it is mostly on a house shot, but the skill level of bowlers as a whole is closer to my level and I cash a majority of the time, compared to being closer to the DC area where the bowlers are MUCH better than me.  Plus I love the fact that Lincoln Lanes is a wood house.  Also the entry fees are around $30-40 and are a better value for me. I am not much of a bracket player but those tournaments have A LOT more side action (lots more bowlers too).  That is why you see someone like Mike L there every chance he gets.

I feel like these topics lately are geared to get people like myself to bowl more often (the 210-215 average league bowler).  Just for me personally, there is nothing anybody can do now (short of a standardized ball) to make me bowl more often.  Honestly, the poker boom took me away from bowling and I know for a fact that there are plenty more people in this area who feel the same way.  There are just too many other interests outside of bowling that are more important and fun for me, as well as more lucrative if you choose to make the issue about money.

Chris, your heart is in the right place but I'm not so sure you can mold 20 more people in this day and age to be as dedicated as the other 15-20 regulars.  In theory, it is a great idea.  It doesn't hurt to try, that is for sure.

If you want people to know about what tournaments are going on, be sure to forward Jeff and Latise's email out from 40 boards.  For those that don't receive it, it has a list of the last couple months worth of local tournaments and winners as well as the upcoming schedule of local tournaments from all around.  I am way out of the loop in bowling these days yet I still know which tournaments are every weekend because of that email.
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Durst, you are right, many are in the black when it comes to tournaments even if they do think about bowling. That's one of the reasons we started emailing that calendar at the bottom of our emails to "spread the word" per say.

And Frankie, you are right, there are folks beating folks down. It's not just happening in this area of the country either. As for the cliques, they aren't all cliques as you have guys that have known each other 10+ years now and they chat/email during the week to see just how life is treating them. In some cases, friendships have grown to an extended family.

Those that have "taken" from the game do need to "give back" and lift someone else up. Means you might have to stop and teach the right way or just give a person a confidence boost. For me, it has been fun witnessing some of the very bowlers I met when they were 7-8 years old and now they are 20-24 years young and out competing. A few of us have been asking the question, where is the 20-something movement. One of the big problems is money at that age and that made me think back to realize, it's hard bowling pots the way we did for $5 when lineage is $3/game. OUCH!

Financially we are all feeling it these days unfortunately, "SOMEONE TAKE BG&E OUT!" BG&E will not be happy until their bill has taken all of your extra money.
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Average 250 and break even?  What a joke.  I would rather sh*t glass.

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I've seen how you DC and Maryland boys operate and such a concept will not work until alot of you change your way of thinking.  Your area for the longest has always had the great talent.  The problem is, your crabs in a barrel mentality of pulling and keeping each other down at every turn will keep your entries low, participation low, and keep your young talent from ever getting the chance to flourish on a bigger level.  

Some of you same guys trying to progress a movement are some of the same guys who for the longest have been the casual tournament player's biggest distracter.  We've all heard you talking. "This guy sucks".  "He has no business being here, he can't even sniff a pot in his mixed league".  "It makes sense he shoe'd up here, gutter is always open. That's the only way he stands a chance".  "There's friction right/left, no wonder he's here and not here last month."  Word gets around and I don't even know you guys that well.  But I have heard your whispers and cliques talking wherever you may be.

And maybe the economic crunch hasn't hit some of your pockets yet, but I already see it in my area where the young fathers have to cut out all of their recreational activities to work a second job to support a family.  I've seen it where the starving youngsters are out trying find a career and get their lives started so they can someday be able to be in some of our shoes.  I've seen the once bright talents' desire fade for the game due to the constant negativity and BS that goes on in today's steroid era and random select lane patterns that cater to 4 or 5 guys.  

There's so many things going on that none of you are even taking into consideration because once again, crabs in a barrel.  You don't care about anyone else trying to live their own lives because if they so happen to average 220 or so on their little night out, then of course you feel like they have to come out on the weekend and "prove their worth" to you and your buddies.  Let people live their life.  If that 220avg league bowler wants to take that $100 they could dump in your tournament and take out the family to a nice day out on a weekend, it's their perogative.  Maybe they're not always scared, a pick and choose guy, or a sneaky observer.



This is the best post I have ever read on this site. When I graduated college and moved out to Maryland I was disheartened by the "clique back-biting" behavior for bowling, bowling? Are you serious?. The mentality that "I like to see someone doing well, just not better than me" is in full-force in Maryland. Although I have left Maryland, the same childish behavior remains rampant throughout the Baltimore/D.C. area. It was enough to make me quit bowling entirely for the rest of duration there because I could not take anymore. Furthermore, there is a laundry list of offenders whom I will not name but they post on this site and know who they are. Those people should be ashamed of themselves not only as bowlers but as human beings as well.
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Perhaps another solution would be to have the handicap tournament operators keep complete control over the side pots and make it a single flat fee to participate.  If you want a chance to win the handicap pot, you have to put in to the scratch pot also.  This would do a lot to keep the better bowlers interested in participating at the handicap tournaments.  

The same could also be done at scratch tournaments.  Just have handicap pots in addition to the scratch pots and also make it a single flat fee to participate in the side pots.  This would likely do a lot to spark the interest of up-and-coming bowlers to participate in scratch tournaments because they'll feel like they at least have a chance of coming out being more than a doner.

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The same could also be done at scratch tournaments. Just have handicap pots in addition to the scratch pots and also make it a single flat fee to participate in the side pots. This would likely do a lot to spark the interest of up-and-coming bowlers to participate in scratch tournaments because they'll feel like they at least have a chance of coming out being more than a doner.


The reason it is called a "scratch" tournament is because when you sanction through USBC you enter an agreement that all participants are competing on an equal level. All bowlers would be rerated to a "0" handicap. LOL

And what handicap bowler would come to a scratch tournament to just bowl for the handicap pots?
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This is a great thread. I'm all for mentoring.

Maybe it's because they think I won't share the information but I've only had a few bowlers come up to me and ask, "how should I have played this pattern you put out?". For those that have asked, I have always "shown them the light".

As far as the back biters.. I have one comment for them. "None of us come out of the womb HALL OF FAMERS". We all have to start somewhere.

Dursty, great post! :-)
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I agree with the part about cliques and snobby attitudes with some of the "better" bowlers.

I've experienced it first hand since I don't have a "normal" bowling style or good form at all.  You just got to write it off to them being douche bags and move on.  You see the same thing in all sports and rec leagues...bowling is no different.  Grow some thicker skin and just bowl your own game.
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Don't all of you realize this problem is in every bowling center in every city and in every state in the USA?  How in the world do you think you're going to get 15-20 people to change that?  I would understand if it was just a DC/VA/MD problem but it is nationwide.  It's kind of like a sitcom on tv, once it "jumps the shark" it's over.  The network puts their heads together and tries to come out with something new and fresh.  All of you seem to be trying to get it back "to the good ol' days"  If your only hope is to take a step backwards then I suggest a new plan.