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J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« on: January 12, 2011, 08:27:58 PM »
Mark your calendars

Saturday - April 16th

Forest Hill Lanes
1 Maurice Dr
Forest Hill, MD 21050
 
8 game marathon sponsored by the J.O. Spice Company
 
$1000 Guaranteed 1st Place - $60 entry fee ...  1 in 5 cash
 
Starting time is NOON
 
Pattern - Modified House Condition
 
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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2011, 06:17:07 AM »
Sparking interest in anyone?


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2011, 10:15:37 AM »
This sounds like a good tournament.  I like the marathon format, but here's my gripe, why put out house?  If you are worried about scaring people away, you won't.  There will be plenty of entries for $1000 guaranteed with only a $60 entry fee.  The lefties will run away with it, and everyone knows it.  Look at the tournament just run this past weekend at Colony Park in PA.  Rick advertised a tougher pattern (kegel pattern), and still that place was teeming with people (believe they got over 70 entries).  I did not bowl that well, but whatever, it was a good experience and it was fair.  The only good thing about you advertising a "modified house shot" is that you can modify it as much as you want to make it as tough as you want.  Unfotunately, people are going to come in there expecting a wall, and if they don't get it, they will complain.  I will probably be attending, but I will not be a happy camper if the left only has to move 3 boards the entire day, which will give them the carry they need to post the high scores needed to win on a house shot.  Run a kegel challenge series pattern, they are very hittable (probably take 210 average to cash) but you do have to make the right decisions and stay in the ballpark to score well.  Plus, you could get away with calling a kegel challenge pattern a "modified house shot" anyways.  Just my $0.02. 

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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 07:01:00 AM »
I agree with 9 back.  Rick had 71 entries last weekend.  I was not close to cashing but it was a fair and playable shot.  Tougher conditions just make me a better bowler for the next tournament.  My thought is that the 200 plus "house bowlers" will have a field day.  Just my thoughts.  Hope you have a great tournament. 



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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 08:11:01 AM »
I also agree with 9 back. I did not make it to the tournament on Sunday, but I heard at Colony Park it took about +150 for 8 games to cash, which sounds like they were still very playable. I believe he used the Kegel Sunset Strip pattern, which is one of the Kegel Challenge patterns, as 9 back suggested. I don't think you are going to stop bowlers from returning the following year with $1000 guaranteed for a $60 entry fee.  

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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 09:57:16 PM »
 

Are we seriously barking about the shot mid-January for a tournament that is going down in April? Before you go trying to tell Chuck how to run his tournament, do you run an event for Chuck to be critical? Drawing bowler is tough these days. Colony had 72 entries this year and that was down from the 84 I think Rick had last year. Entries just aren't a given these days regardless of the money and/or shot used.

None of us know what Forest Hill's so-called modified house shot will be like. And as for the lefties, I crossed with JT & CJ Sunday at Colony, they weren't moving their feet all day. The left will always be the left until the majority of the bowlers are left handed which in turn means the right side of the lane would hold up better. The left vs. right issue will go on forever like high rev guys griping about the lack of volume with these atomic bomb balls.
My guess is Chuck went with a modified house shot to try and get the local bowlers out. Local bowlers are a tough draw in that area for some reason. I've learned over the years, people do not leave "home" to bowl except for a few and I mean very few. Those York bowlers who supported Rick will not be making the 55 minute ride to bowl. No different than the northern Virginia bowlers who we only see in northern VA. The Maryland bowlers are no different, Capital area bowlers don't come north, B'more bowlers above the tunnel don't come through the tunnel just like the guys below the tunnel don't go north.
   

I'm telling you as someone who does run tournaments, people have more excuses than a little bit as to why they aren't bowling. VMSBT for the last 8 or 9 years has been offering non-THS shots and they're playable but guys are no where to be found. We've offered a mix a shots at our 40 Board events and it's the same people regardless of the shot. Guys, either we're bowling or we aren't! Chuck is not and should not change for any of us giving our brown penny thoughts because come April 9 we might not even be able to bowl.

 


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2011, 07:38:49 AM »
Straight Ball, I didn't mean to upset you. I, along with everyone else, appreciates Chuck's effort in running this tournament. He may run whatever shot he wants to (as it is his tournament to run), and if he feels he needs to advertise a modified house shot to gain entries, good. I would rather that then him advertise something tough and get 20 entries. It's just sad that people will not show up purely for the fact that they have to be accurate to score well. With the flurry of 900 series this year, when are bowlers (and USBC) going to wake up and realize this sport has become more about the corner pins than shotmaking and versatility?  

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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2011, 10:06:25 AM »
The shot for this tournament is still undecided. It very well could be a tough shot. A modified house shot does not scream hey you gotta average 250 to win this tournament. The shot will present a challenge. If you think your an accurate bowler then come on out and prove you can win $1000.


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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2011, 11:05:54 AM »
Don't take me as angry with you or Mad Man aka Mich St., the point is that we bowlers are putting way to much emphasis as to what’s on the lane. A tournament could advertise pattern X and the center lays pattern Y. We should all be using practice to really figure out our plan of attack with the however many balls we own. From my personal experience, once you've bowled enough tournaments, you can figure out what is going to happen.
 


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 11:27:49 AM »
LOL, "Mad Man".  Guess it's time to change my screenname!

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2011, 06:02:02 AM »
Really! We are talking about a lane pattern???? Come on Damn it, just shoe up and bowl. The pattern was fair at Colony Park North and yes the Lefties ran over everyone. I guess I have no idea who won, it was not me! The last time I checked some of those Left handers are pretty good... I did not bowl well on the back 4 games and I am not complaining. The middles opened up for the Right and the "Outside" was open on the Left. The problem is that they are 60 some Righthanders and only about, maybe 10 lefties... Sooner or later either side is going to get good...

 

Now back to this discussion about patterns and how un-fair they are for the Righthanders. The scoring pace is going to be high at Fort Meade, surface is good and for the most part there is friction... The pattern will have little effect on who wins or loses especially when it is 2 months away and a modified House Pattern could be anything. So pull out or straighten out your undies and shoe up and support the local tournaments. Chuck runs a great tournament and the major sponsor for this event is a good guy... SO SHOE UP AND BOWL, STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FUTURE EVENTS!!!!! please!


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Re: J.O. Spice Open - $1000 First Guaranteed
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2011, 10:55:18 AM »
I have finally decided to enroll in this era of forum conversation in the efforts to hopefully make things not only clearer but better for everyone involved.  Thanks to everyone who is helping this project along.

 

Okay here it goes - - for the J.O Spice Open the pattern has yet to be determined.  As Bakes has said and other tournament promoters agree ... its all about entries.  Say what you will about prizes or entry fee, in my opinion you gotta have the people bowling to make the event (especially new ones).  Bever and I had a good run with our Sport Shot event which featured what i would say was one of the hardest around.  But alas, it died a painful yet peaceful death with the last 2 events having less than 10 people show up.

 

Since our tournaments demise, I have watched others try to hold tournaments with a wide range of lane conditions, entry fees and the like and the ones that I see attracting the most people are those that either do not mention the pattern (which usually means THS) or others that modify the THS. From Hagerstown to Chambersburg to Mr. Teirno's well attended senior events in PA...they have lots of entries on house or house similar patterns.  Rick's tournament last week was different because of "what" it was and not due to being any kind of special 8 game marathon. 

 

My goal in this endeavor is to promote a tournament that benefits everyone involved ... bowlers, proprietors and sponsors with the parameters at my disposal.  Sure I personally would like to see a pattern that puts quality shot making at a premium, however, I have to look at things from outside my little bowling world and have an event that is going to attract as many individuals as possible.  Hopefully, with a modest entry fee for 8 games, a pattern that is not on the borders of professionalism and a guaranteed first place prize will enough to bring in those who'll say "I can take a chance on a $1000 for $60".

 

I know it's not what us die-hard perfectionist want but in today's world, isn't it enough just to have something for us to bowl no matter what it is. (note -  any Kegel challenge pattern is a modification of Kegel  recreational version)

 

Thanks and hope to see everyone at Forest Hill on April 16th.

 

Chuck

 



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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 12:10:21 PM »
WELL SAID CHUCK!
 
Those purist you speak about don't even bowl competitively anymore. There is no such thing as a great tournament without participation. Support your local tournaments before they are gone, AGAIN!
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 12:16:59 PM »
Thanks for putting on this tournament Chuck.  I'll be the first to admit I get on a tangent sometimes with my lane condition discussions, and can be an arrogant a$$hole at times. It's not that I don't feel I can compete on house shots, it's just the fact that sport itself loses credibility when tournaments are carry contests. I'm glad you are doing what you can to attract entries, and I feel you should get a good turnout. I plan to attend.    

 
 
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2011, 09:02:21 AM »
Yes Mich.. I think we can all look at what we'd like to believe our sport could be or rather should be.  Alas I would have to think those are days in the past.  I, like you and others really wish we could have tournaments like the old days of the Midmight Marathons at Country Club and the Saturday tournaments at Price Lanes in DE where there would be 60 to 90 people each time. I think the only thing close is Ed Fisher's Super Bowl tournament at Leisure.  But even then we didn't care about what "pattern" was there. It was about winning and king of the hill for the day.

 

Anyway, I just would like for bowlers to shed their armour about only participating on the Viper or Cheetah, or whatever and just bowl.  With the conscience of today's bowler one would think they would prefer to win against 60 people than 15 or 20 but I could be wrong. 

 

Regardless, I just hope that all the good people reading this post as well as others on this forum take the time to pass the word about ALL the tournaments people like myself and Bakes, Tony. Rick and others put on so that we continue to have something bowl.