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Opposites Attract in MD
« on: June 10, 2007, 11:51:24 PM »
Anyone have any info.
Turnout? Who won?  anything in general?

 

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Re: Opposites Attract in MD
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2007, 01:36:59 PM »
Straight from the tournament director...website will be updated this week with detailed scoring available.

Hopefully you'll join us next year!

TEAMS: 39
TOP 8 CUT: -90
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Re: Opposites Attract in MD
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2007, 01:44:26 PM »
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #3 on: June 12, 2007, 09:48:34 PM »
    I attended and thought it ran great.  I think the shot played a lot tougher then originally planned but it was fair.  Quality shots were needed and your spare game had to be on.  Rob Alexander and I were talking afterwards and we both agreed it reminded us of the old Team Challenge shot. (Good times) My partner and I missed the finals by about 20 sticks but we have no complaints about the tournament.  It was rather refreshing to bowl a local tournament where you don't have a bunch of yank in the middle of the lane.  Jeff and Latise did a great job in promoting and running this event and I look forward to bowling it again next year and hopefully this grows every year.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 09:58:02 PM »
    I hear many people were very disappointed with the shot and the pot sitution. the ten that cam from this area said they will not go back next year.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #5 on: June 13, 2007, 01:26:00 PM »
    Next Level,
    Here is a break down of the side action. Side action paid out 100% of what was collected...
    TEAM SIDE ACTION
    $160/70 per game ($100 entry covered 10 games)

    MEN'S SIDE ACTION
    Game Pot $110/50 per game ($50 entry covered 10 games)
    Set Pot $110/50 per block (Added by tournament)
    Survival games 2-4 $115/90/55/30 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 3-5 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 7-9 $120/90/60/30 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 8-10 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)

    WOMEN'S SIDE ACTION
    Game Pot $100/55 per game ($50 entry covered 10 games)
    Set Pot $100/55 per block (Added by tournament)
    Survival games 2-4 $100/75/50/25 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 3-5 $100/75/50/25 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 7-9 $70/55/35/20 ($10 entry)
    Survival games 8-10 $125/95/60/30 ($10 entry)
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #6 on: June 13, 2007, 01:30:54 PM »
    The shot probably did play tougher than expected but they were VERY FAIR. As far as any pot situation, I heard it was taken care of out of pocket by the tournament directors. I don't think you should let a typographical error prevent you from competing in a well organized event. After all, we all are human.

    As far the shot goes, it was tough and really bruised a lot of egos (YOURS TRULY INCLUDED). What it did do was make me realize how poor my shot making is at this time.

    We need to support people who take the time to put on competitive SCRATCH events that pay well.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #7 on: June 13, 2007, 01:33:53 PM »
    NextLevelPS:

    I am interested to hear what the "pot situation" was. I also hope you will encourage the 10 from your area to express their comments with us (via email/phone/website and/or by survey which we will be mailing out).

    We would certainly hate to lose any entries without being given an opportunity to address the issues.

    All,

    As was stated previously, this was our first mixed doubles event, and we would very much like to hear all constructive comments, be them praise or criticism. This event was molded with the wishes of the bowlers in mind and we definitely want to know what people liked and didn't like so that we can address the issues for next year.


    As for the shot, I will say myself it was not necessarily what I envisioned, but I do feel it was fair (fair being all styles, either hand) and, of course, everyone had to play on it. We had lefties, righties, straighties, crankers, tweeners, plastic balls, dull balls, aggresive and mild balls in the finals; i'm not sure if it gets any fairer then that.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 01:46:08 PM »
    quote:
    I hear many people were very disappointed with the shot and the pot sitution. the ten that cam from this area said they will not go back next year.
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    Although I did not bowl (wish I did now), how can you not be satisfied with the shot?  I saw the raw numbers from all the bowlers and it played as a tough but fair shot on both sides.

    I've heard nothing but praise from everyone who attended the tournament.  One of our local best bowlers stated "It's the smoothest tournament he's been in".  

    Why go back and complain and not let the tournament directors address the issue?

    I'll be there next year.  I'll just have to make them readjust the date if it conflicts with my golf club championship again

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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #9 on: June 13, 2007, 03:18:19 PM »
    Although me and my partner did not make the cut, we only had ourselves to blame.  Not one time did we ever complain about what we were bowling on or blame anyone for our struggles.  We had a couple of team games below 330, but after 9 games we were still only 30 pins out of the cut.  Our high game was only 438.  Looking around, the bowlers who were bowling well, were made up of all styles.  Guys who like to hook it, straight guys, the tweeners.  It was FAIR for everyone and that is not something that is normal.  It would be pretty sad if the reason why someone didn't want to come back was because of the shot.

    This tournament ran very smoothly in my opinion.  It was exceptional if you take in to account it was a first year tournament.  We even started both squads on time Saturday and that never happens anymore.  I would like to thank Jeff and Latise for taking the time to give us something to bowl in.

    If you struggled, don't blame the shot, it was most likely operator error.  I know it was in my case.

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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #10 on: June 15, 2007, 08:25:06 AM »
    I want to apologize 1st and formost about the pot sitution comment but the bowlers from up here in the nj and ny area was very disappointment with shot. if your starting off a new tournament why make them damn near impossible. The true scratch bowlers i.e ( Anthony Chapman, Chris Johnson, Tony Walton, Fero Williams and the David Lees )of the world only count for 10% of the tournament bowlers. if im starting off a tournament i would put out something playable where  to make the cut is around 200-210 not 230 or 180. Take the Rodman for example the shot is not dead easy but they let you play. if i remember you anthony and chris you guys lap the field with easy. all im saying is "The CREAM will all rise to the top"
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #11 on: June 15, 2007, 10:40:50 AM »
    Next Level PS:
    Glad to know the pot situation has been cleared up.

    The lane condition, was not "impossible" but I’ll say it was “damn tough." There were people who spent their first 5 games disgruntled, yet they came back after the break and showed they could hit it as they made a 100-200 pin improvement to post a 200 average the for the back 5. Thankfully, the right/left issue was a mute point as the lefties out averaged the righties by 0.03 pins.

    We appreciate people like L.Anderson & T.Taylor who came to us and expressed their opinions before hitting the road. Hopefully, those that came will voice their opinion either by phone, email or the survey card so that we can judge the strengths and weaknesses of the tournament and implement the correct changes to meet the demands of the bowlers. As long as the demand is not crazy.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #12 on: June 15, 2007, 01:36:11 PM »
    javascript:quote(if your starting off a new tournament why make them damn near impossible.);

    Jeff and I appreciate you sharing the concerns of those bowlers.

    Sometimes as bowlers we have to remember that tournament directors only have limited control over what happens after the foul line. TDs can ask for a lane condition (or ask for not a certain condition), but in the end, they still get what the center puts down regardless. I've heard this out of the mouth of other directors as well--"I can ask for a specific pattern, or a general pattern and they may even tell me they will put it down, and then I still end up with the house shot."

    Sometimes you get an attempt by the center to place a specific pattern, or just a "tough" pattern, or "not-house shot", and what the center thinks is "tough" or "easy" is not what the directors envisioned, or may not actually play as "tough" or "easy" for numerous reasons (ball choice, number of people on the pair, number of games, how folks play them, etc).

    I'll just say that we ended up with a pretty tough pattern. Hopefully this year's participants can identify with getting something a little different then what you hope for, and realize that applies to both bowlers and those running the tournament. Hopefully they will keep that in mind when deciding whether or not to return.
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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #13 on: June 15, 2007, 03:05:39 PM »
    Tournaments are competitions and with competition comes challenge.  The shot laid out challenged both your physical and mental abilities as a bowler.  A lot of people were so upset over a tough shot, that in practice they were already checking out mentally.  The shot was far from impossible.  Granted I didn't exactly light it up, but I felt like I had a playable shot, if I made a decent shot.  Not a great shot, but decent shots.  

    The Rhodman shot has gotten way to easy over the past 3 years.  Bowlers have been reaching +700 and +600 for 16 games and that is more than just a playable shot.  It takes over a 220 just to make the top 40.  I don't know why someone would rather bowl on that, then shot 210's and 220's and move up the standings.  I will be back at this tournament next year and if the shot is just as demanding, then that is fine with me.  There were a lot of quality bowlers who bowled in this event and from the ones I spoke to, they had no complaints on the scoring.

    Once again, thank you Jeff and Latise for running a quality event.

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    Re: Opposites Attract in MD
    « Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 03:29:54 PM »
    I tend to think the Rhodman is easy, minus the challenge of carrying the corners at bowlerama.

    Its a long-standing question I have. People say the best bowlers will rise to the top. If thats the case, then why does the shot even matter? I guess its the sense of accomplishment--losing shooting 230s versus losing shooting 180s. To me a loss is a loss is a loss.

    It's ok to go the rhodman and put my $125 plus pot and bracket money into the pocket of someone else because I got to get strikes (just not enough) in the process? Nah, not ok for me as a bowler.

    As a bowler however, I'd rather make shots. If I'm going to shoot 230s and hand my money over to someone, I could have just as easily did a paypal transfer and stayed home and watched "Law & Order: SVU." As a bowler, I'm going to go and bowl on whatever because I'm a competitor. I also know that some days my shot is going to be on the lanes and I'm going to take advantage of it and eat well. Others days it will be a grind--tough condition or not.

    However, as a tournament director, its my goal (and my duty) to send the event in the direction of what the majority want--which is why I'm encouraging any and all feedback.
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