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Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
« on: July 19, 2009, 01:31:18 PM »
1. Kenny Lowe
2. Sven Steinburg
3. Joe Tremper
4. Chris Lee
5. Darrin Bivins

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Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2009, 09:26:53 AM »
Amen to that!

As a TD, people being on time is paramount. Trump is spot on with time. 20 minutes before starting time 20-25 people show up and it makes you late. Tough to leave the table when you are signing people up.


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Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 10:39:10 AM »
There are THS and then there is the Parkland House Shot.  I know one thing, the conditions made my TURBO look good.
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #33 on: July 22, 2009, 11:34:41 AM »
    Trump, thanks for ponying up to the real reason you did not bowl.

    To all, as my man WKR would say, "You need variety..."

    Now days, so called good bowlers are to busy bothering the tournament director(s) with the same dumb question, "What are you putting down?" Why does it even matter? Either you are coming or you aren't! We all own 4-10 balls this day so there is no reason we cannot match up to find something. Some times you have to trick up your physical game to get the ball there but either way, score is out there for all of us to get.

    For example, last year, 40 Boards ran 10 events and had you come to them all then you had a chance to miss by a mile and strike as well as scratch your head while adding some choice words under your breath. LOL
    -3 house shots
    -1 modified house shot where the gutters did not hook
    -PBA Shark that was tighter than tight
    -Kegel Rt.66
    -10 game dual shot event  5 on a PBA pattern and 5 on the USBC Open shot
    -last two events at Bowl America were a modified shot that was scorable but tricked up a lot of people

    My point is that when we are sitting at home "acting like a bowler", it is far to easy to miss the times when you might have matched up real well! And VMSBT has operated under the same principle for about 10 years now. I have been hearing for a while how guys want to bowl when they are tough but it is proven that when a house shot is advertised the entries are best!!!
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #34 on: July 22, 2009, 01:25:17 PM »
    I guess I can agree with both sides here.  While I would rather see tougher conditions laid out at tournaments, I also have come to understand that putting out house shots seems to attract more bowlers.  I believe the reasoning for this is house shots basically level out the playing field, giving a wider range of bowlers a chance to win.  If you think about it, really anyone halfway decent can average at least 200 on a house shot, but you put those same bowlers on a tougher condition, they won't average 180. This is due to the fact that tougher conditions usually force bowlers to play in specific parts of the lane, have a specific release, and throw straight at most spares, all of which you never really have to do on a house shot.  So, as a tournament director, if you put a house shot out, you will rarely hear complaints about the conditions because you are usually never blocking out any type of style from scoring.  But the minute you put anything somewhat difficult out, instead of bowlers just adjusting to whats out there, the complains begin rolling in about how unfair the condition was.  

    Overall, it's a really tough call for tournament directors and I feel your pain (I have ran a few tournaments and leagues), and it seems you can never really make everyone happy.  I believe the only way to get around this is just mix it up and don't tell bowlers beforehand what the lane condition is going to be.  Another option might be to use the Kegel Challenge Series patterns as they can usually be played from most areas of the lane, but require a decent amount of accuracy.  These Kegel patterns are easy enough to score on, but not so easy that you have to average 230 to make money.  Sorry about the rant, but this topic seems to come up a lot in tournament bowling.
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #35 on: July 22, 2009, 01:44:19 PM »
    Well from my experience there are several opinions. Being that I bowled at the college level as so many others in this area have I was forced to see both sides. I bowled in the midwest and everything that we bowled on was fairly tough. Granted there were some easier tournaments but overall the conditions were rough. I also know that the east coast normally bowls all college tournaments on "walls". Is it fair? Who knows and who cares. We all got to do what we loved most which is bowl....

    As for tournaments around here. I myself try to get in each tournament that I can. Whether it be sport, pba, modified or bonified house shot. I tend to do better on tougher conditions but I would never skip a tournament because it was a certain pattern. That to me makes 0 sense at all. When push comes to shove we bowl to bowl. For those that use the cop out of it being to easy simply makes me puke. Unattractive it may be but it is still tournament play with a larger field. Just look at the people that try to put out tough shots! They get 25 people MAX!!! Darnell's tournament was a great success! Even though it was on their house shot it was by far the toughest house shot I have ever bowled on. So let us not get in to the debate of sport vs. house as the house will always win. If you want to solely bowl on tough conditions, pack up your car and make your way to the TQR's. If not then just bowl and wait for those tournaments that require more skills than others.

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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 01:58:50 PM »
    yea ctk4life,

    I have bowled in college too, and we faced some really difficult conditions at nearly every tournament we bowled in.  We have a youth association based in Michigan (Michigan Junior Masters Association or MJMA) which uses tough conditions at every tournament and they routinely get over 70 guys and 30 girls to bowl.  I know there are a lot more adult bowlers out there than youth, but I just wonder what their reasoning is for not wanting to bowl on anything challenging.  Seems as though the youth enjoy challenging themselves to get better, so why not adult bowlers too?  

    Oh well, what are you going to do.  Tournaments can put whatever pattern they want out, I'll bowl and give it my best shot and whoever knocks the most pins down at the end is the winner.  That is simply what the game is all about.
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #37 on: July 22, 2009, 02:13:28 PM »
    You are absolutely correct sir!!

    As for the youth generally wanting to participate no matter what is out is simply what you say, they want to excel. I guess adults are not like that being as though they put up their hard earned money and give up time that is taken away from family and other activities. I for one am just happy that there are a vast amount of locations in which tournaments are held. People like Jeff, Tony, Darnell, and etc. do not get enough credit from the bowling community. They are the ones providing what we really want. I know that there is nothing like bowling in a competitive environment! Even with the house shot out there is nothing like knowing what you have to do to cash or win. Their time put in to their respected tours is countless. It just goes to show that there are people that truly want the sport of bowling to keep going. Whether it be house or sport there is always a tournament to bowl around this area. That is so much more than what most the country has.

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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #38 on: July 22, 2009, 02:35:15 PM »
    I am very glad to hear that there are plenty of tournaments to choose from in the area, as I am moving down there in a week or so for a new job.  Big thanks to all those who started their own respective tours, and I am sure they do it purely for enjoyment and get no income incentives from it.  This does say a lot about their character, and shows they are in it purely to promote the sport of bowling.  Once I get settled in, I will probably be bowling some of the tournaments down there, and I look forward to being able to put some names to faces.  
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #39 on: July 22, 2009, 03:34:01 PM »
    How about this as a concept....

    Just announce the pattern distance and nothing more.

    If you say it is a PBAX shot the main complaint will be "it didn't play anything near to what it is supposed to be."  Guess what, I bowl in 2 PBA leagues in two different houses during the winter and the shots play differently.  Which one was "right" ...I have my opinions as we all do but who really is to say.  

    Last week I bowled on the Scorpion pattern at Ft. Meade, Columbia, and Perry Hall. Although the basic construction of the pattern was close to the same, I played three different shots the three different nights.  One of the Columbia bowlers came to Ft. Meade to watch Scorpion this Monday and was shocked by the amount of friction he saw (yes people Ft.Meade's Scorpion has more friction than Columbia's or Perry Hall's ... shocking I know)

    How about our tournament directors just tell us how long the pattern is and leave it at that?  

    Jeff and Tony what do you think???
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #40 on: July 22, 2009, 03:34:33 PM »
    Sorry about the hijack... I just had to get that out there..
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #41 on: July 22, 2009, 03:43:23 PM »
    I know VMSBT loses entries because I don't use THSs. I am OK with that. I decided this year that I am only going to use Kegel patterns. So far we have seen Middle Road, Beaten Path and Broadway. Next year, we'll see some easier Kegel patterns as well as some sport Kegel patterns too.

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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #42 on: July 22, 2009, 03:46:12 PM »
    Rotomike

    You know I'm "old school".... I don't mind doing that at all.

    Great post by the way. People need to factor in lane surface and topography.
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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #43 on: July 22, 2009, 05:20:06 PM »
    Hey, if we show up and shoe up, doesn't that mean we have a God given right to piss and moan about the shot. I mean jeez we are there and all. And we're all such nice people the rest of the time. LMAO!!!

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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #44 on: July 22, 2009, 06:16:57 PM »
    I agree, if I wanna cry, then let me pay my entry and cry! Damn lefties!

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    Re: Top 5 from 1N4Tournaments
    « Reply #45 on: July 22, 2009, 06:49:37 PM »
    Rotomike,

    What winter PBA Experience leagues do you bowl in?  Just curious, cause I am looking to join one or two for this upcoming season.