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Mr Straight Ball

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Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« on: October 10, 2007, 03:55:41 AM »
It boggles my mind when I look at the Greater Baltimore yearbook and see 60 names on the high average page with the last name showing 222. I know the Capital Assn is no different.

So why aren't more high average bowlers out competing against one another?
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2007, 08:21:53 PM »
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alloutsmith3, are you limited to bowling those tournaments only? You have missed some tournaments within a 1 hour drive that have been giving just what you say you are looking for. You should of been at Gaithersburg Sunday, they were not a gimme by any means but they weren't impossible. I hope we get to see you venture out and join us!

I can vouch for Mike, he bowls EVERYTHING! Easy, tough or in between he shows up, laces 'em up, ask no questions and finds a way to be competitive. "If I could be like Mike." ROFL
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No, I'm willing to drive 1-1 1/2 hours to bowl on more challenging conditions with a higher level of competition. I had actually planned on bowling in a few regionals but had to put a transmission in my car so all of my regional money went there. I just learned of the VA/MD scratch bowlers tour website so I'll be watching that. If you know of anymore sites that keep an updated list of tournaments in the area please share them with me as I want to get out and broaden my horizons in the sport of bowling. I also like to meet new people that enjoy the game as much as I do.

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I just visited your website and I'll be putting a few of your tournaments on my schedule for sure. Hopefully I can get a few other guys that I bowl with to come along and bowl also.

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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2007, 07:12:05 AM »
MSB,

If you gave me half your revs and i could hook it like you, then maybe id be competitive, but thanks i try my best to do what i can do.  And yeah they werent exactly easy this week, although ira sure made him look like it.

alloutsmith,

www.vmsbt.com and www.40boards.com are 2 sites that i know of.  Mr. Baker and Mr. Walton (Mr. is used very loosely there but i was tought to respect my elders) run 2 of the best tournament organizations in the va/md area and they do everything they can to put down tougher patterns when the house will cooperate, but sometimes we run into a wall from time to time but very rarely.  But these organizations are going to stop trying to run tournaments if they cant get any support.  

Also the Triple Threat mens tourney is coming up at greenway bowl on dec. 2nd.  MSB probably has a link to the flyer.
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2007, 07:17:23 PM »
This is good to see you guys talking about this.  I bowl in a scratch league with 30 teams and I'll normally pass out 40 Boards & VMSBT flyers the weeks leading up to there events and everyone will say," Ok thanks, and I'll be there" but on tournament day they don't show and when I go back to league they will have every excuse in the book.  It is a little frustrating for me as a bowler and I can't imagine the frustration as a tournament director.  My hats off to all of you....

BTW.. Mike is there a website for the tournaments in Chambersburg, PA?
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2007, 08:33:13 PM »
www.lincolnlanes.com is the website

Yeah its sad to see bowlers not willing to stop outside their leagues!
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2007, 09:08:07 PM »
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This is good to see you guys talking about this.  I bowl in a scratch league with 30 teams and I'll normally pass out 40 Boards & VMSBT flyers the weeks leading up to there events and everyone will say," Ok thanks, and I'll be there" but on tournament day they don't show and when I go back to league they will have every excuse in the book.  It is a little frustrating for me as a bowler and I can't imagine the frustration as a tournament director.  My hats off to all of you....

BTW.. Mike is there a website for the tournaments in Chambersburg, PA?
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Also check out:
http://www.freewebs.com/gilly300/index.htm
Its in Carlisle but thats not too far from Chambersburg. These are mostly smaller tournaments because its only a 10 lane house but its a change of pace and the scores are mostly on the lower side.

I also feel you on bowlers saying they'll be at a tournament and then not showing or giving a lame excuse as to why they aren't going to go. I try to do alot of promoting for other peoples tournaments as my uncle manages a center and I know all the managers of the other local houses so I have the means to do some promoting. It always irritates me when I get 10-15 entries lined up and 1/2 or more back out on me.
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2007, 09:31:04 AM »
alloutsmith3 - Our Nov 11 event was canceled because the bowlers were giving off signs of not wanting to bowl there. We try and listen to our bowlers. LOL

Mike is on here trying to make ppl think he cannot hook it. I wanted to be like Ira getting it through that strip in the middle that hooked Sunday. LOL
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2007, 10:28:32 AM »
I have a hard time understanding what all the fuss is about. This thread is littered with "donater" jabs, taking shots at players with less ability than yourselves. If you are going to ridicule them for being donaters , why would they show up? Perhaps to line your pockets? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way, the same elitist attitude permeates the air.... Please clarify if I am off-base.
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2007, 11:12:02 AM »
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I have a hard time understanding what all the fuss is about. This thread is littered with "donater" jabs, taking shots at players with less ability than yourselves. If you are going to ridicule them for being donaters , why would they show up? Perhaps to line your pockets? Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Either way, the same elitist attitude permeates the air.... Please clarify if I am off-base.



So true.  I'm one of those guys who has gone the way of the poker thing.  I like to compete in bowling and although I might not have the talent I have the competitive juices to give it a try.  Unfortunately guys like me get cold stares because I take a leisurely approach to the game.  In other words I like to have a cold beverage and treat the tourney just like any other league I bowl in.  Competiveness doesn't have to be cold!

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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2007, 12:45:42 PM »
I don't think people were taking "jabs" at any donators. The thread asked a simple question...Where are the scratch bowlers? Everyone who enters a tournament is a donator for real until they cash.

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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2007, 12:58:07 PM »
Arghhhhh!

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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2007, 01:48:03 PM »
What's the women's excuses for not coming to tournaments? We don't have many women's events around here, but the ones we have, the women don't support. And the ones that offer women the chance to compete with the men see very little participation as well.
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2007, 01:54:08 PM »
Not sure but this Joy Esterson must be pretty good.  She's from Annapolis and averaging 241 for the first 7.

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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2007, 07:25:49 PM »
Joy is a doing great on tour.  How do you think Joy was getting her skills ready for the Woman Series, she bowls EVERYTHING at home.   I never understood why card carrying PBA members will travel to regionals, PTQ, and other big events but never bowl anything at home.  My thought process has always been if I can't compete well on the local level, then why should I go out and play in the big stuff.
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2007, 10:05:11 PM »
Chris said it best, why wont guys bowl in the local stuff when they are off or when they don't make the finals.  A few guys, Hall, Lowe, Blackmore, and a few others do, but where are all the other guys at?  You question them and they say its because they don't wanna bowl on a dead wall, did anyone look at the scores on tour this week?  Had to avg 227.86 for 14 games to make the cut.  I know these guys are suppose to be the best around but still, doesn't that seem a little high on whats suppose to be the med to low scoring pattern?  

By no means am I bashing anyones talent or desire.  I bowl with 2 guys that average 230+ every year but bowl 2 tournaments a year max, but thats because they just don't have any interest.  We are talking about all the big shots that think they are "great" players because they average 220 on their league shot but wont bowl in tournaments because the scores are too high or the shot is too tough.  I run a center here in Front Royal and trust me I know there is no pleasing everyone, but I am also a tournament bowler that laces them up every sunday regardless of the pattern or the talent that is there.  If it takes a 250 avg, fine, if 210 makes money even better but no matter what ill be there giving it my best.  If regionals paid a lil more or had a staggered prize fund, id consider bowling, but financially they aren't good investments, but thats a whole other topic.

Bowling is dying as a sport, well at least tournament wise.  There are a number of different factors in that but MSB, CJ, and myself get tired of hearing all the excuses and whining from people that are suppose to be "the cream of the crop".  

My personal opinion is those guys are just too prideful of getting beat up by some local hack like myself.  I have more respect for guys like Inches and others that bowl everything and rarely cash, but hey at least they actually come out and play, unlike most of the local "house gods" and "local hall of famers"!
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Re: Where are the scratch bowlers in MD/DC/VA?
« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2007, 04:34:07 AM »
I'm certainly not one of the guys that cash every tournament, but I feel that I can be competetive, but right now tournments (local and PBA Regionals) just aren't a high priority for me.  There are a lot of other things that have a higher priority, but when it's in the budget and schedule, I will bowl, but lately that hasn't been too often.  Mike is right, the Bob Inches, etc deserve a lot of respect, because they are there tying, while a lot of the "local hot-shots" are home whining.