Author Topic: Who you representing? aka phony balony ball deals (Read 6385 times)

Mr Straight Ball · « **on:** December 06, 2007, 03:10:05 AM »

My man Mr. Ripples commented once, there sure are a lot of people in your area on staff. After learning of some people on staff thanks to a certain pro shop owner demanding they be signed.

Why do companies sign people without ACCOMPLISHMENTS to justify why they are on staff. Please don't tell me that someone with no bowling knowledge but works in the pro shop is enough to be on staff. If I am wrong then tell me!

Don't say because I work at a pro shop, I can influence sales. When Joe Bowler comes to buy a ball, you better sell them whatever keeps the lights on in the shop, I know all about the business.
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Edited on 12/6/2007 12:10 PM

pop_1 · « **Reply #16 on:** December 08, 2007, 09:51:21 PM »

I agree. I also see some guys that are on staff have the worst attitude when they lose to non-staffers. Some of the guys are not even approachable.

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The thing that kills me is those bowlers that 'think' they can bowl 'think' they deserve a contract or should get free bowling balls. No one owes you anything.
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling

AKA "Rico" and L.I.M.O.M.

Rev_O · « **Reply #17 on:** December 08, 2007, 09:53:02 PM »

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The thing that kills me is those bowlers that 'think' they can bowl 'think' they deserve a contract or should get free bowling balls. No one owes you anything.
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling

AKA "Rico" and L.I.M.O.M.

Ric,

You are so right with this answer. I know a few people that are pretty good bowlers, but their lack of personality, or less than par attitude is what keeps then from being a player. I know when I was on staff with Track, I would go OUT OF MY WAY to help any bowler in any part of their game. In result, I sold a ton of balls and other equipment, Track or not. People today just don't get it, It's all gimme gimme gimme!!!
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Rev-O

Edited on 12/8/2007 10:54 PM

Mike L · « **Reply #18 on:** December 08, 2007, 09:58:26 PM »

No one is saying they deserve a contract or for that matter wanting one. Its just a lil sad seeing guys that don't bowl that much and when they do, don't really do to well getting free equipment (and REALLY MAKING BALLS LOOK BAD), while guys like myself, (and yeah i may be a lil cocky but by no means have an attitude problem) bust are azzes and bowl on every condition all over the area, while being competetive and winning a handful of big tournaments but get overlooked because we don't go know the right people or suck up to the right people, so once again its back to my point...ITS WHO YOU KNOW!

btw
Being able to strike all day, means absolutely nothing if you don't know how to adjust and adapt and perform in the clutch, in my opinion
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"Typical House Bowler"

Mike L · « **Reply #19 on:** December 08, 2007, 10:02:57 PM »

Honestly, to me if I was trying to sell bowling balls to the public, wouldn't it be smarter to put guys on staff that bowl on everything in a tri-state area (va/pa/md) and are competetive, and yes that do have good attitudes and integrity?

And by no means am I saying anyone owes me anything, I earn everything I get!
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"Typical House Bowler"

northface28 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 08, 2007, 10:38:13 PM »

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how about yall name some names on who yall feel should not have a contract and why

Yeah, cause thats going to happen. The east-coast is littered with bowlers like this and their "back-biting" ways (specifically Maryland). Some of you use the cloak of anonymity when describing the "alleged offenders". But, personally, I am willing to bet you will "pal around" and "ham it up" with these same men/women the next time you encounter them.
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wildbush300 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:45:50 AM »

cgilyeat,

I was not saying just because they wear the Ball companies logo on a shirt, I was just referencing a particular instance. Alot of folks can get those shirts from online, ball companies and ebay, however there are some folks that like to throw a particular company and say they are on staff and really are not. They had the shirts made up by an embroidery store.
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Yvette Ford
Tournament Director Triple Threat Tournaments
Triplethreat1560@aol.com

sdbowler · « **Reply #22 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:03:59 AM »

This is a good topic for both sides. I am one that would love to get on with Brunswick. I only bowl one league now, use to bowl two or three. Bowled a few tournaments back in South Dakota. I stopped going to them because it was always the same people winning. As far as bowling in everything yeah that helps but it is not all. Many good bowlers can't go and bowl in a lot of tournaments due to the money aspect.
As far as the who you know aspect I agree but disagree with that. I have a friend who is on Brunswicks amatuer staff and also know someone in Sioux Falls who is on their staff. Also got to know a former product specialist who now works in a different area for Brunswick. So saying that it should be problem getting a contract if it is all in who you know right? Wrong just because I know these people does not mean I will get a contract. Yeah I can get people to buy equipment as well. When I was using Track I got a lot of people to switch over to Track. Now that I am usning Brunswick I have got a lot of people to get Brunswick equipment.
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Kyle

wildbush300 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:13:44 AM »

quote: Northface28

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The east-coast is littered with bowlers like this and their "back-biting" ways (specifically Maryland)
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I beg to differ, East-Coast specifically Maryland... get over limiting yourself. This is pretty much universal. Just because you dont agree with the decision to put particular people on staff has nothing to do with whether you like " these men/women" so to pal around or to Ham it up... as you say, has nothing to do with each other.

There are alot of folks that you like as people but have no respect for them as bowlers... example: Sandbaggers! There are also people that you respect as bowlers that you feel are a piece of Crap outside of the bowling centers.

In my opinion, Ball Companies should put people on staff that have a definite bowling resume, charismatic personality, Effective communication skills and knowledge about the game and the equipment. Exposure in League Play ( not just to "pop in" for a sub-spot to make quick cash) and youth bowling volunteer hours should also be included. Maybe I am just too naive..

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Yvette Ford
Tournament Director Triple Threat Tournaments
Triplethreat1560@aol.com

sdbowler · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2007, 11:31:44 AM »

Wildbush I tend to disagree a bit. The bowling resume should be looked at but that is not a true picture of someone. Take me for example I have had one 300 game no 800 series. I don't compete in tournaments due to not being able to afford them. Should that keep me away from a ball contract? I grew up in the sport I never cared to learn the ins and outs of bowling just loved to bowl. I see a lot of people younger then me knowing more about the sport then I do but when it comes to lane performance I am far better. With the youth volunteering that is difficult to do. Many people have jobs that they may have to work at the sametime they youth leagues are going on. So if that would be a requirement for you to be on staff how is that fair? I would look at a number of things for someone being on staff. Yeah the resume is a little to look at. The attitude of the person is HUGE. How that person is respected. How that person can influence poeple to buy equipment.

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Brunswick
Kyle

CBass1724 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2007, 01:26:38 PM »

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Take me for example I have had one 300 game no 800 series. I don't compete in tournaments due to not being able to afford them. Should that keep me away from a ball contract?

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Brunswick
Kyle

Yes it should absolutely keep you away from getting one.

In my opinion, you absolutely need the 300's, 800's, and tournament wins to get a ball contract. If you have one, you are representing that company while you are bowling. Wouldn't people be more inclined to purchase equipment from that company if the person throwing it was a good bowler, shoots high scores, AND wins tournaments?

I outnumber you by far in 300's and 800's as well as tournament wins but would never consider myself a candidate for a ball contract. I by far do not have enough accomplishments, nor do I throw the ball well enough to deserve one. I am realistic about my abilities, or lack thereof, and don't sit around fantasizing about earning that ball contract.
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C.J.
Tournament Bowling Donator
http://www.isuckatbowling.com

Edited on 12/10/2007 2:27 PM

wildbush300 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2007, 01:33:35 PM »

sdbowler,

Thanks for your reply, but yes that means that you may not be a candidate for a ball contract. There should be definite requirements to be under a ball contract. Some of these requirements may differ due to Demographics. In some cases a ball company may deem it unnecessary to have a staffer in your area. That is what Straightball was hinting at, that just anyone off the street should not get a ball contract.

To Everyone!

Can someone give some of the contractual committments that are in some of these deals? Is it just to solely throw that ball company or is it some other incentives that have to take place. I know there are different types of staffers. Do anyone know what makes these various staffers any different?
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Yvette Ford
Tournament Director Triple Threat Tournaments
Triplethreat1560@aol.com

sdbowler · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2007, 01:35:04 PM »

CBass good points. They also talked about being able to push products. I have been able to talk a lot of people into equipment they would never have thought about it. Now yeah I would love to sign my name to a ball contract but know that it will never happen. There is a lot of things that allow people to get contracts and a lot of reasons on why people can't get them. Only the ball companies will know what they are looking for. Some will look for people with the tournament wins. Some will look for the honor scores. Some look for both. What I think should be looked at is a little of both as well as how that person is looked at in their bowling community. Like I stated earlier honor scores are not a true picture of a bowlers accomplishments.
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Brunswick
Kyle

Dbum · « **Reply #28 on:** December 10, 2007, 06:07:27 PM »

Well I would say this. A bowler that has an advisory contract is really a ball tester for that company, I know I was with track for 2 years as an advisory staffer and I didn't have pro shop experience I contacted them directly. Now if you get to know some of the people inside and out then you can make a move to amateur or regional staffer. When I was with columbia 300 I had certain duties as a staffer. I had to write articles on balls, participate in certain events and advertise as needed. I also had to report my scores to the company.

You have alot of good bowlers in the area that can very well be good staffer Mike L is one of them, but you have to do the work yourself. I do know some people on staff that does absolutely nothing except say you should get one of these because they hook and those people are not respected enough in our area.
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Darnell "DBum" Bell

Mike L · « **Reply #29 on:** December 10, 2007, 09:45:41 PM »

Thanks dbum, honestly with the people i see getting free stuff, yeah i feel like i should at least be considered, but you said the same thing i did, its who you know. I sent out my resume to a few companies and got the same response from them all and im fine with that, but its those guys that you mentioned, "oh this ball hooks so buy it", that msb and myself are talking about. im pretty sure you know that for a fact there are many good pieces out there, that its almost a disadvantage of being on staff (how good is the black widow

), that its not really a big deal, but it would be nice to at least get considered by companies
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"Typical House Bowler"

Dbum · « **Reply #30 on:** December 10, 2007, 10:21:22 PM »

You are exactly right Mike. It has its advantages and disadvantages. lol
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Darnell "DBum" Bell

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