Post by: thundercat23 on January 04, 2009, 05:43:34 AM
Anyone know if/who Ace Mitchell sells online?
Thanks,
Jeff
Post by: Rev_O on January 04, 2009, 01:50:31 PM
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on January 04, 2009, 04:41:09 PM
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They drop ship for many online retailers.
Every distributor that is successful does.
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Post by: BeansProShop on January 06, 2009, 11:47:18 AM
I really have no problem with them drop shipping but when I need stuff drop shipped and they tell me no that they can't do it.. That really makes me mad...LOL!!
Then other distributors actually advertise they do not ship to or for online retailers and I know for a fact that certain distributors do...
That gets me a little PO'd...
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Post by: jls on January 07, 2009, 01:31:32 PM
Of course they probably don't sell online dirctly, but chances are high that they have some online dealers who they supply.
Many large dist. have fronts, slugs, online dealers that they supply.
It's called playing both ends against the middle.
Sooner or later pro shops who buy from these dist. will WAKE UP and stop dealing with them. Untill then, they will continue to get screwed by dist selling both ways.
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Post by: jls on January 07, 2009, 01:32:47 PM
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They drop ship for many online retailers.
Every distributor that is successful does.
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No sir, not every "successful dist" I know of two honest ones that don't, and they are successful!!!!!!!!!!!
Now try again
clear now
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Post by: triggerman on January 07, 2009, 01:50:09 PM
Classic drop ships for the big online boys, they drop ship for me to, if I pay the shipping
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 08:36:34 AM
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Yeah they drop ship for Buddies too, right Bill?
Or is it Classic, Bill?
Edited on 1/5/2009 11:36 PM
The word I hear is that online sales are way off!!!!!
And the Dist. who cater to the big online dealers, are hurting!!!!
Mainly because they have to buy in such large volumns to be able to have the msde. to supply to the online dealers.
And now that online sales are way off, the dist. are hurting.
So now we shall see how much longer these dist. will be able to supply the so called big online dealers!!!!!
Classic example, one online dealer is now offering free drilling!!!!
Now lets if see mr Buddies will match that!!!!
Grasping at straws.
"every dist. that is successful does"
ya right
When these dist. go down, lets see who then supply's the so called big online dealers!!!!!
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Post by: JustRico on January 17, 2009, 08:42:12 AM
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 09:25:58 AM
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Online sales are not down, they were merely stagnant for the first time. Every year for the past 5+ or so, the etailers have shown a growth. The etailers are still responsible for 30% (+ or -) for all ball sales.
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Retail sales are down everywhere!!!!! In all industries!!! At least here on Earth!!!!
Read the papers!!!!
30%???? So doing the math, pro shops must be 70%!!!!!!!
42 dist. now there are 17 left???
Time will tell how many will be left by this time next year!!!!!
Dist. have to make large volumn purchases to be able to get the prices they need to sell online. Now with online sales hurting, dist are having boo koo trouble paying their bills.
And if online sales are doing so well, then why is one place now offering free drilling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grasping at straws.
And everyday, more and more pro shops, >>> the 70% are finding out who the dist. are that cater to online dealers. And they are starting to realize that they need to deal with another dist.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now you can go twist and turn this anyway you want. But much of this came from recent seminar's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Done by you know who!!!!
have a nice day
BTW, let me refresh your memory. The Fury was DQ, mainly because certain dist. who cater to online dealers bought boo koo of them, and then, they didn't sell!!!!!! "Sales had slowed down to a crawl" Not with my dist. their sales on the fury were ok, but then again, they didn't have to buy 1000 at a time to get the best price so they could dump them online like so many others were doing!!!!!!!!!!
Online dealers making $4 per ball!!!!! And now offering free drilling!!!!
Grasping at straws.
have a nice day again
And please, don't talk to us pro shops like we are all stupid. if things were going so well at Brunswick, you would probably still be with them!!!!!
Now many pro shops were at seminars this week, and we know what we heard!!!!
There is only one reason that a online dealer is now offering free drilling.
He is hurting and grasping at straws to make sales.
No one in their right mind makes $4 a ball profit and drills for free!!!!
give me a break here.
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Post by: JustRico on January 17, 2009, 09:52:23 AM
You can look at it however you want, but PLEASE remember, there are other opinions out there other than yours. As well as other educated individuals that know what is going on, whether they agree with you, your distributor or preferred ball manufacturer or otherwise.
You have your argument and I see what goes on, from both sides, as well as being a previous owner/operator with a few years experience (a little over 3 months). Take the blinders off and believe that there are other views and opinions than yours.
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 10:12:06 AM
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I was at the seminar and I know what was said. And I too have a little insight into things as well...ya know.
You can look at it however you want, but PLEASE remember, there are other opinions out there other than yours. As well as other educated individuals that know what is going on, whether they agree with you, your distributor or preferred ball manufacturer or otherwise.
You have your argument and I see what goes on, from both sides, as well as being a previous owner/operator with a few years experience (a little over 3 months). Take the blinders off and believe that there are other views and opinions than yours.
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You were not at the seminar's I was talking about, therefore you did not hear what I am talking about!!!!!
And when the whole country is hurting in retail sales, for you to come on and pretend that online is doing just fine, give me a break!!!!
Because you once worked for Brunswick does not always make you right!!!! Now get over it.
And what is this "arguement" crap. Statements of fact sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So many dist. jumped on the online bandwagon, bought boo koo and now are having troubles moving the product.
You just love to try to make pro shops look stupid.
Ya real stupid here. Less then 5% of our sales are Brunswick!!!!
You sir are brainwashed.
Let me point out the ball companies that are selling well.
Global, Ebonite, HAMMER, STORM, ROTO.
If you talk to pro shops they will tell you that the number of outside balls, balls bought online and brought in to pro shops for drilling, is at a all time low!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what We are hearing and SEEING.
Consumer's have cut back on everything retail, not just talking about bowling.
Don't you read the papers???
Even Wal Mart is crying.
Give me a break here with you BS.
Your basic Brunswick 101 training doesn't work for me.
I have eyes, and can see what sells.
Have a nice day
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Post by: JustRico on January 17, 2009, 10:26:44 AM
Don't you think, if I was Brunswick brainswashed I would more than likely still be there?
And wouldn't you think that I would be glad that you are not selling Brunswick products?
If you knew the whole story, you would understand these statements.
I do not think that pro shop operators are stupid. I am a PRO SHOP operator by nature. And the pro shops I deal with know this, as my job for the past almost 10 years has been to help pro shops increase thier businesses. I do not nor have I dealt with etailers.
And sir I refer to facts that I know to be factual. Not merely told to me in a seminar.
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 11:06:59 AM
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I will merely comment on a few things here...
Don't you think, if I was Brunswick brainswashed I would more than likely still be there?
And wouldn't you think that I would be glad that you are not selling Brunswick products?
If you knew the whole story, you would understand these statements.
I do not think that pro shop operators are stupid. I am a PRO SHOP operator by nature. And the pro shops I deal with know this, as my job for the past almost 10 years has been to help pro shops increase thier businesses. I do not nor have I dealt with etailers.
And sir I refer to facts that I know to be factual. Not merely told to me in a seminar.
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When the president and all the brand managers attend a seminar, I sir tend to BELIEVE what they say!!!!!! ARE WE CLEAR ABOUT THIS????
About 3 months ago, I brought this up to my dist. That online sales were flat.
The other day, my dist. told me that since I had brought that up, they have been asking their pro shop customers. And they agree that online sales, that is, balls brought in to pro shops for drilling, are way down.
I don't care if your glad that we don't sell much Brunswick!!!! Maybe if shops like mine sold more Brunswick, you would still be there.
Retail sales for this past holiday were the worst in years, and you come on and try to pretend that online sales are great. Give me a break.
You love to led people on this site to believe that you know all. You love to pretend you know all about what goes on behind closed doors. Please!!!!!!!
Give that BS a rest. Pro shops know what goes on and what is selling.
When I noticed online balls were way off in my shop, at first I thought, is it just me. But then after talking to many real pro shops and hearing from my dist. I found out, this is going on all over.
You beat all!!
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Post by: JustRico on January 17, 2009, 12:24:04 PM
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 12:33:40 PM
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Dude plain and simple YOU LOVE TO ARGUE WITH ANYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU. Now go believe who you want and I will what I know....And stay in your hole.
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Hey dude, read what you wrote. I posted first, therefore I was not arguing with you!!!! You then came on with your holy attitude and started arguing with me. Like you always do!!!!!!
Yo make stupid statements, and you expect us to believe you. Any idiot knows that the whole economy is in the toilet. Yet you pretend that all is well with your online buddies.
Then you post that only what you hear is accurate, yet when the President and all of his brand managers attend seminars and tell us things, they are not real, cause they did not come from your mouth.
GIVE ME A BREAK DUDE.
You work for a certain dist that is known and believed to be a major supplier to online dealers. So you just go ahead and twist and turn all you want Dude, I will listen to what the president and his brand managers have to say before I listen to you.
Are we clear
dude
what a joke
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Post by: Verbs on January 17, 2009, 01:04:26 PM
I am curious as to which distributor is telling you that they do not sell to e-tailers?
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Post by: Verbs on January 17, 2009, 01:13:38 PM
They are going around the entire country with the same outlined presentations. I spoke personally with their President for 20 mins. about what he is experiencing throughout the entire country. It was the same speech you heard. So even though Rico wasn't at the specific seminar you were at, the message was almost exactly the same pertaining to what you heard, what Rico heard and what I heard.
And with the respect I do have for all of the brand managers, they are all trying to do the same thing.........SELL MORE OF THEIR BRAND OF EQUIPMENT.
So they are going to tell you whatever they want to hopefully get you to buy more of their wares.
Please do not think that the seminar you attended was "special". They are going around the country, doing these outlined seminars in at least 14 cities.
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
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JLS,
I am curious as to which distributor is telling you that they do not sell to e-tailers?
Verbs
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Oh give it a rest.
I know of 2 that do not sell to online dealers.
Maybe there are a few more. But you know and I know that you know that we all know who are the ones seliing to fronts, slugs etc.
ok now
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Post by: Bronco Bowler on January 17, 2009, 01:25:17 PM
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When the president and all the brand managers attend a seminar, I sir tend to BELIEVE what they say!!!!!! ARE WE CLEAR ABOUT THIS????
jls, what company are they representing and which proshop do you represent and what specifically was said. Just so we can be clear on all of this.
Post by: Bronco Bowler on January 17, 2009, 01:27:05 PM
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And with the respect I do have for all of the brand managers, they are all trying to do the same thing.........SELL MORE OF THEIR BRAND OF EQUIPMENT.
Verbs, which brand are you referring to?
Post by: Verbs on January 17, 2009, 01:34:44 PM
I am referring to Ebonite/Hammer/Columbia/Track. All 4 brand managers, plus the President of Ebonite International, Bob Reid, are going around the country the month of January having what they call the Ebonite International Showcase.
It is seminars for pro shops about what Ebonite Int'l is doing to grow the sport of bowling, who each brand of equipment is supposedly catering to, demonstrating their latest and greatest and giving the attendee's the oppotunity to throw the newest equipment.
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Post by: Verbs on January 17, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
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JLS,
I am curious as to which distributor is telling you that they do not sell to e-tailers?
Verbs
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Oh give it a rest.
I know of 2 that do not sell to online dealers.
Maybe there are a few more. But you know and I know that you know that we all know who are the ones seliing to fronts, slugs etc.
ok now
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Okay, who are they?
What I am getting at, they may not KNOWINGLY sell to e-tailer's, but I'm sure they are.
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Post by: Bronco Bowler on January 17, 2009, 01:47:57 PM
Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
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When the president and all the brand managers attend a seminar, I sir tend to BELIEVE what they say!!!!!! ARE WE CLEAR ABOUT THIS????
jls, what company are they representing and which proshop do you represent and what specifically was said. Just so we can be clear on all of this.
I'm from jls pro shop.
Now the whole bowling industry is hurting, just like the whole retail economy.
Dist. are hurting!!!! Many because they have to buy so much msde. to supply their online slugs or fronts. Now with online sales down, many dist. are hanging with too much msde. which needs to be paid!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Online dealers as well as pro shops are also down. These guys like to come on and pretend that online sales are booming. Ain's so!!!!
The whole economy is down, it was in all the papers. Maybe Larry and ric don't get those papers.
Now it is not the norm for the pres to attend all these seminars. The fact that he is, tells some of us, times are tough!!!!
Ebonite as far as I know has only one price. Yet the other ball companies still offer different prices on their balls. Buy 500 at one price, buy 1000 at another. Those dist who supply online dealers or fronts or slugs, usually buy at the lowest price. which means they must order more balls. Now in a down economy, balls are not selling as fast, thus some of these dist. are in trouble.
Now these guys love to come on and pretend they know it all. They don't.
Circuit City just went down. Times are tough and sales are down all over.
In pro shops and with online dealers. But those honest dist. that sell only to pro shops, may not be hurting as much, since they don't have to over buy. Since they don't sell to online dealers. Ric works for a dist. that is believed to be a big supplier to online shops.
Sales online are hurting, this is made clear by some online dealers now offering free drilling!!!!!
Just why would a online dealer making $4 per ball offer free drilling.
So please excuse me if I really don't put much into what the B Boys have to say.
I talked to pro shop owners who attended several different seminars, I know what they said. I could care less what Larry or ric say!!!!!!
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Post by: Bronco Bowler on January 17, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 02:06:54 PM
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jls, thank you for answering my questions. Now that I understand what this is all about, I know enough to stay out of this discussion.
That makes you smarter then I
Hey what can I say, It's about 20 below with the wind chill. So it's been a little slow today.
But I did sell a Virtual and a Cell Pearl
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Post by: Verbs on January 17, 2009, 02:06:59 PM
I NEVER said that the economy wasn't struggling. I KNOW it is a challenge every day. I am in commision sales (no, not with Brunswick!!) and am feeling it just like everyone else.
But you still refuse to answer my question as to which 2 distributors are telling you that they do not sell to e-tailers.
You would rather insult mine & Ric's intelligence. That's fine. Your entitled to your opinion. There are several people on this sight that value Ric's & mine opinion. Being that we have been on every side of the pro shop business (pro shop operator's, ball company rep's & distributor sales rep's), we have seen and heard it ALL!!!
Have a nice day and go sell some bowling equipment!!!
Verbs
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 02:11:32 PM
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jls,
I NEVER said that the economy was struggling. I KNOW it is a challenge every day. I am in commision sales (no, not with Brunswick!!) and am feeling it just like everyone else.
But you still refuse to answer my question as to which 2 distributors are telling you that they do not sell to e-tailers.
You would rather insult mine & Ric's intelligence. That's fine. Your entitled to your opinion. There are several people on this sight that value Ric's & mine opinion. Being that we have been on every side of the pro shop business (pro shop operator's, ball company rep's & distributor sales rep's), we have seen and heard it ALL!!!
Have a nice day and go sell some bowling equipment!!!
Verbs
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Sir, if you are in the business, then you and Ric already know who the two dist. are.
STOP PLAYING GAMES.
If those two dist. want their names mentioned, they will do it. For they do read from this site all the time.
Now as for insulting your intelligence!!!! That's impossible!!!!
are we clear now
You and Ric are major game players. This may fly with the groupies from big b. But I sir, could care less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
again, are we clear.
BTW, I believe you meant to say "wasn't" struggling
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Post by: jls on January 17, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
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jls,
just a quick question, what part of the country are you in? i know over here in R.I at my shop we are taking in more online balls now than ever. People are always trying to save a bucks, and our drilling rate is pretty competitive, so people still save buying online.
Chris, how are you new ball sales tho.
Our new ball sales are decent, not great, but not bad considering.
Also, our prices are very much in line with online dealers.
Many of our customers see this.
But this is not about online prices vs pro shop prices. It is about the fact
that here, online balls brought in for drilling were way off this last year.
And just about every pro shop I talk with, feels the same way.
Chris, may I ask you, what do you think when you here that a certain online dealer is now offering free drilling? People don't understand, they are not making big bucks on these balls sold online.
The ship is sinking
midwest
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Post by: BeansProShop on February 03, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
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Yeah they drop ship for Buddies too, right Bill?
Or is it Classic, Bill?
Edited on 1/5/2009 11:36 PM
The word I hear is that online sales are way off!!!!!
And the Dist. who cater to the big online dealers, are hurting!!!!
Mainly because they have to buy in such large volumns to be able to have the msde. to supply to the online dealers.
And now that online sales are way off, the dist. are hurting.
So now we shall see how much longer these dist. will be able to supply the so called big online dealers!!!!!
Classic example, one online dealer is now offering free drilling!!!!
Now lets if see mr Buddies will match that!!!!
Grasping at straws.
"every dist. that is successful does"
ya right
When these dist. go down, lets see who then supply's the so called big online dealers!!!!!
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Edited on 1/17/2009 9:39 AM
Easy answer... The manufacturers will!!!
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 03, 2009, 10:46:27 PM
They are offering anyone 25 to 30 percent off or more, ball drilling onsite now to boot.