Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on December 20, 2007, 07:55:05 PM
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Post by: gojr1815 on December 21, 2007, 04:47:35 AM
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I try to give my pro as much business as I can.
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Post by: legend4life95 on December 21, 2007, 05:35:43 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 21, 2007, 10:19:53 AM
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I wouldnt be able to, so NO is my answer.
What Paul said.....If I had to pay retail price for bowling balls, there is a better than a 50-50 chance that I would quit bowling. As much as I like to bowl, that kind of expense wouldn't be worth it along with the difficulity of being able to afford it. Remember, on top of a ball that has a retail price of $259, there is also the drilling cost, thumb slug and finger grip cost and sales tax, so a pro shop that would charge the retail cost (as posted by various companies as the retail cost before any discount)of $259 + $50 drilling + $10 thumb slug +$10 finger grips + sales tax of approx. $26, that ball would end up costing a person......$355.....The total cost here could be $10 higher or lower depending on what the driller charges as on the average most (not all but most) charge from $40 to $60.
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Post by: gojr1815 on December 21, 2007, 10:26:27 AM
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Post by: fins4ever88 on December 21, 2007, 10:35:53 AM
I think a company like Ebonite may suffer a little bit if that would happen. Many people complain that Ebonite balls don't last very long. If a customer hears this, would they want to invest all the money into a ball that has a reputation of not being a long lasting ball rather than going with something like a Brunswick PK18 ball?
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Post by: Goof1073 on December 21, 2007, 11:09:32 AM
Now there are other places around the country that charge what they want and have inflated prices. In that kind of a setting it could potentially hurt balls sales *if* the owner’s don’t adjust their pricing accordingly.
It’s really just a pricing game really. People want the best deal and shops want the most money...it’s the balance of the two that still doesn’t seem to be widespread within the industry. Other industries have been utilizing fixed prices to combat this very issue...it helps to level the playing field while protecting the value of their goods.
But to answer your initial question; If shops don’t change anything I could see sales going down some...but I’m not sure how much or if the manufacturers would react accordingly (supply / demand).
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Post by: charlest on December 21, 2007, 12:05:26 PM
And I would be making a LOT of NOISE to certain manufacturers if their balls did lose significant performance and could not be restored. Well, actually, I'd probably never buy from them again.
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Post by: DanH78 on December 21, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
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Post by: DP3 on December 21, 2007, 02:33:54 PM
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Do you think $259+ for a high end ball is fair? Thats what my local shop charges. Thats why I started drilling my own stuff. If I had to buy my equipment locally, I would be throwing the equipment I have now for the rest of my days. I realize thats not the going rate for most other shops. Ours is just greedy and its the only shop within a 45 mile radius. IMO a high end ball with drilling should not be over $179-$189. I
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Most pro shops(especially smaller shops) are paying between $132-141 for most high end releases. Are you saying we only deserve $40 on a sale?
Ridiculous. Pro shops are not in the business of screwing people over. We are here to provide a service and make a living for ourselves as well. The most common misconception is people thinking pro shops are drilling balls all day long. Maybe if you're Buddies on a Friday night or another bigger shop on the weekend, but it isn't like anyone is getting rich drilling 20 balls a day.
This is the real thing that's killing brick and mortar shops, guys thinking that they're being screwed over by having to spend money, and the attitude that the guy drilling their equipment only deserves ($xx) amount of money.
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Post by: JMORRIS on December 21, 2007, 02:42:57 PM
The shop where I do business treats his repeat customers very well, so I have no reason to buy a new ball off the internet.
Post by: 102101 on December 21, 2007, 03:04:24 PM
1. Owner knows my game and he is always there for a little help or assistance when needed.
2. If the local pro shops are not supported and close down then who will drill your bowling balls correctly? Sure online shops can drill but don't forget surface adjustments, Flare increasing or decreasing holes to adjust reaction after you decide you need them, repairs, new grips, etc.
3. The dollars I spend locally helps support the community where I live, in to many ways to list. One question how does your community use the tax dollars they receive? You might be shocked how important this is if you have never looked into or payed attention to this.
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Post by: legend4life95 on December 21, 2007, 04:39:46 PM
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Do you think $259+ for a high end ball is fair? Thats what my local shop charges. Thats why I started drilling my own stuff. If I had to buy my equipment locally, I would be throwing the equipment I have now for the rest of my days. I realize thats not the going rate for most other shops. Ours is just greedy and its the only shop within a 45 mile radius. IMO a high end ball with drilling should not be over $179-$189. I
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Most pro shops(especially smaller shops) are paying between $132-141 for most high end releases. Are you saying we only deserve $40 on a sale?
Ridiculous. Pro shops are not in the business of screwing people over. We are here to provide a service and make a living for ourselves as well. The most common misconception is people thinking pro shops are drilling balls all day long. Maybe if you're Buddies on a Friday night or another bigger shop on the weekend, but it isn't like anyone is getting rich drilling 20 balls a day.
This is the real thing that's killing brick and mortar shops, guys thinking that they're being screwed over by having to spend money, and the attitude that the guy drilling their equipment only deserves ($xx) amount of money.
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...The Twelve In a Row Pro Shop. Hyattsville, MD
Coach: University of Maryland Baltimore County Mens Bowling
I'm saying $259+ is unreasonably high. I expect him to make a reasonable profit, but I think $120 profit on one ball is way too much! I have talked with him before about prices he gets equipment for and 125-130 is average on high end balls. $60 profit is fair IMO for 30-45 minutes of work. I should also add that he does not locate PAP's or even take time to watch you bowl before drilling for most people. So really all he does is take your span if you are a new customer, and drill. Thats it. So, yes I think $179-$189 is fair. That's $60 bucks for a half hour work.
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Post by: Mike Austin on December 21, 2007, 08:47:14 PM
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Most pro shops(especially smaller shops) are paying between $132-141 for most high end releases. Are you saying we only deserve $40 on a sale?
Quote - Ridiculous. Pro shops are not in the business of screwing people over. We are here to provide a service and make a living for ourselves as well. The most common misconception is people thinking pro shops are drilling balls all day long. Maybe if you're Buddies on a Friday night or another bigger shop on the weekend, but it isn't like anyone is getting rich drilling 20 balls a day.
I agree with this. I was wrong in the past. Companies like Buddies cannot keep selling Balls under Cost and making a living by eating the Shipping Costs. We do pay top dollar for High end Balls. But there are Pro Shops who charge $229.00 for a Ball. That is a little much.
CBB/Bowl, as usual you don't make a lot of sense. You contradicted yourself with your reply. Which is it? Pro shops cannot keep selling cheap, or right around suggested retail is too much? Can't have it both ways.
It's called supply and demand. Who is to say that they think X amount of money is all another person should be allowed to make. If a good driller can command $259 for a high end ball, then more power to him. I'm definitely happy for him. It is your decision/right as the consumer not to buy at this person's shop. But to say he doesn't deserve this amount, or shouldn't charge this amount is wrong. Do you know what his expenses are? Salary(s), rent, phone, insurances, CPA, cost of goods, supplies, machine maintanence, bits and sharpening,..... Some parts of the country cost more, period. I think it would be safe to say that $259 in California is not odd. In Oklahoma, never happens.
MOST pro shops are trying to make a decent living. Why should they be denied this? I don't look down on successful AC/Heat guys. Would you want your AC fixed by a guy that gives gigantic discounts just to get your business? There is a reason he has to discount his services. Same with the pro shop. If a person doesn't feel he/she is getting his/her moneys worth from his/her pro shop operator, then they should shop elsewhere. Don't assume because the price is more that the price is not justified.
Bill, don't want to hijack your thread. I think the total number of balls sold in the country would drop off slightly. The large majority of ball purchasers don't buy on the internet. Some might find this hard to believe. Many rabid ball buyers would probably buy less balls. Your 1-4 balls a year bowlers would probably go right on the same way.
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Post by: BuddiesProShopcom - Bill on December 22, 2007, 02:41:16 AM
We were, and still are a brick and mortar pro shop.
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Post by: Nails on December 23, 2007, 08:17:31 PM
I think this should answer the question. If people are buying this many balls per year, the only way to afford them is via internet/Ebay pricing.
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Post by: MegaMav on December 26, 2007, 10:21:17 PM
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My question was only if bowlers would continue to buy the same volumes of bowling balls.
No.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on May 19, 2008, 03:11:06 PM
About the amount of net internet savings(including drilling cost and shipping costs.
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Post by: Nicanor on May 19, 2008, 06:52:37 PM
Between the cost to bowl league, practice for those that do, gas to get to and from the lanes, any refreshments (of course optional) the initial price of a bowling ball plus bowling ball upkeep, bowling will become a white collar sport.
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Post by: Motogp69 on May 20, 2008, 08:30:41 PM
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Post by: Phoneman on May 21, 2008, 01:02:41 PM
So to answer the original post I would stop buying as many balls if online shops went away.
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Post by: Motogp69 on May 26, 2008, 08:29:40 PM
I know most of the pricing isn't the shops fault, but that's an issue they need to take up with the distributors and manufacturers for charging so much.
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Post by: frontiers2 on May 26, 2008, 08:47:00 PM
not to get off the subject here, but the one advantage to getting a ball at a pro shop is you get a little more personal attention, and some immediate feedback, plus if the proshop is in a bowling alley, they can see you throw, how you throw and offer suggestions, whereas you don't get that off the internet. so there are pro and cons to both, and both will survive if they can work together.
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