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j4b2w

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Question for Pro Shop operators
« on: April 14, 2007, 01:12:11 PM »
This is only tangentially related to online pro shops but I'm new here and wasn't sure where to post.  Apologies if I've gaffed to the point of offending anyone.

I'm in my early 40's and I've been out of bowling for about 30 years.  I would like to start up again and am looking for my first non plastic, non purchased-at-kmart ball.  I've gotten some online advice and have narrowed it down to a Power Groove, Scout or other similar balls.

I've stopped by a couple of recommended pro shops over the past couple of days and the prices on the beginner balls that are appropriate for me are about $30.00 more than at online retailers.  Given that I will be so dependant upon the driller (in that I'm new to modern equipment, drilling etc), is it bad form to bring a ball purchased elsewhere into a pro shop to be drilled?

How do pro shop owners feel about this?  I'd like to be a good citizen of the bowling community.  Advice/opinions are appreciated.

Thanks.

 

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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2007, 09:20:09 PM »
I'm not a pro shop but more and more people are buying on the internet and the pro shops have come to accept this. Alot of them complain but this is the 21st century and e-commerce is here to stay.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2007, 09:22:05 PM »
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I'm not a pro shop but more and more people are buying on the internet and the pro shops have come to accept this. Alot of them complain but this is the 21st century and e-commerce is here to stay.
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True but to many pro shop guys the first ball is one of the most important. Many times they will prefer for you to have them select the ball and you get it from them, knowing something before you go in isn't bad but sometimes buying everything through a pro shop can lead to discounts and a better relationship with the operator.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 09:26:07 PM »
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True but to many pro shop guys the first ball is one of the most important. Many times they will prefer for you to have them select the ball and you get it from them, knowing something before you go in isn't bad but sometimes buying everything through a pro shop can lead to discounts and a better relationship with the operator.
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I totally agree. When you are just starting out, it's important to find a good pro to watch you throw and help you select a ball to fit your style.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2007, 09:45:58 PM »
j4b2w, go to the pro shop and spend the extra $30.00 for a ball. If you buy a ball on-line, you still have to have it drilled somewhere, and that's your local pro shop. The pro shop is going to charge you at least the extra $30.00, and probably more. Giving the pro shop your business helps both you AND the pro shop. You get the correct fit, and can bring the ball back for a tweek of the fit or the coverstock. The pro shop gets your business, and a new customer.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2007, 09:49:23 PM »
When you are purchasing an entry level ball it is always best to get it from your local proshop.
1. It will cost less, typical local price $100, online price $70 add drilling by local $50 for a total of $120 you just threw away money and may have alienated the local pro.
2. If you can find a ball that fits decent a local proshop guy can watch you throw a couple of frames to see if there is any pertinent information about how you throw the ball that will help with the way it is laid out.

Before I started drilling my own equipment I bought both locally and on the internet and my rule of thumb was to only buy online if the ball was at least $80 cheaper. With this standard I saved $30 after drilling anything less than that and I preferred to help my local economy.

I do have a suggestion though in case nobody else has mentioned them. Roto Grip's entry level balls (planet series) give the most bang for the buck in my humble opinion. The Venus would be a great starter ball. It will handle most house shots and give you a nice controlled roll that is easy to manipulate.
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Edited on 4/14/2007 9:54 PM

j4b2w

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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2007, 10:24:34 PM »
I appreciate the comments.  I have another neophyte question.  Does the price I would pay at the pro shop typically include drilling?  The last couple of replies seem to me to indicate that it does.  I didn't expect that, I thought the price listed was just for the ball.  Can someone clarify this for me please?  Thank you!


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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2007, 11:10:21 PM »
Most pro shop price are drilling included, and grips and slugs extra, if you say $30 more, meaning you saving money from the local shop.  Coz I charge $50 for blank drill.  For entry level ball, you cannot save much online, not much margin there, and shipping is the same whether a plastic or high end.

And yes, entry level go for Roto.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2007, 11:27:16 PM »
At the low end, it's not really worth it.  You say it's $30 cheaper online, but that's undrilled.  On a $70 ball, you won't save much.  On a high-end, $200 ball, you'll usually save at least $20-30.  One advantage that you might see buying from the local shop is some have package deals with the ball, a bag, and shoes.

The Power Grooves, Scouts, Tropical Storms, Rotogrip Planets, and other low-end balls are all pretty much just as good as one another.  They all have similar high-RG, medium-to-low diff cores with milder covers (except the Tropicals, the Reactor cover is used on everything from entry-level to high-end hook monsters).  You can't really go wrong with any of them, at that point it's basically pick the one you think looks (and possibly smells) best.

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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2007, 11:38:34 PM »

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... at that point it's basically pick the one you think looks (and possibly smells) best.

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This made me laugh.  Are there really scented balls or are you just having fun with the new guy?

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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2007, 01:19:46 AM »
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... at that point it's basically pick the one you think looks (and possibly smells) best.

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This made me laugh.  Are there really scented balls or are you just having fun with the new guy?


Yes there are scented balls Storm has been doing it for several years, go to their site and look at their line if they are scented it is listed in the ball details.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2007, 07:09:40 PM »

  What I use for a rule of thumb on internet balls is, if I can't save at least $100.00 before shipping I buy from my pro shop.

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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 09:39:05 PM »
If this pro shop is going to be the one to drill your balls from now on, then the first ball takes a lot more work than any succeeding ones. Pitches can be problematic, at best, especially if you have no base to work from, that is a ball that fits you perfectly right now. If you've been out for 3 years or more, your hands have changed. And they may change again, if you start bowling a lot of games.

As for bringing in balls bought elsewhere, you better ask the driller or the pro shop owner. They may accept it or they not like it. Also, even if they do accept it, they may charge a higher price for drilling such a ball, as much as their profit margin on a ball they'd ordinarily sell you. So, it might $30 or $40 to drill one of theirs (usually included in the price) BUT they may charge you $70 to drill a blank.

One thing to be aware of, if you do bring blanks: if there's a manufacturer's defect, the pro shop is not responsible for it and you'll have to either contact the manufacturer or distributor or the person you bought it from. Then, also you coudlget caught between the seller and the driller, each one blaming the other for causing the problem.

My only excuse for bringing in a blank is when my pro shop can't get the ball I am interested in or tells me to get it and he'll drill it.

One note of STRONG advice: if you're an avid bowler, your relationship with your driller/pro shop is almost as valuable as your relationship with your wife. You can't put a price on a solid relationship. It must be treasured and worked at, in order to make it work. Mutual respect is essential.
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 09:44:33 PM »
Excellant reply by charlest and I might just add the pro shop person needs to see you bowl so that he can reccomend correct drilling
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Re: Question for Pro Shop operators
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2007, 10:47:26 PM »
So let me give the rest of the story (so far).  I've taken the advice given here and today left work early to stop by the pro shop.  The pro shop was one recommended by a ballreviews user in this area.  The gentleman/owner of the shop did take time to watch me bowl and was very good with my level of understanding or really, the lack thereof.  

Here's the sad part.  I haven't bowled at all in about 8 years and haven't regularly for 30 as mentioned above.  I was throwing a house ball starting from about half way between the first and second arrow from the right and drawing it(using the golf term because I don't know the bowling term) in from there.  He didn't come out until my second game (3 games and shoes for $6.00, sweet deal).  By that time, I had a cramp in my left leg from just one game and couldn't bend it fully anymore without falling over.  Middle age sucks.  I actually did fall on to my right knee once.  In spite of that, I was doing very well (for me) and he complimented my form for such a long layoff.  I had 200 and then 204 with him watching.  With that, he talked me into a higher end ball than I was planning to buy.  He sold me a Lane Master Terminator.  I came back to bowl my third game with my new ball and not having any idea about the reaction the ball would have, I played the same line.  First shot, directly into the left gutter at about 3/4 of the way down the lane.  I've never smiled so big in a bowling alley and certainly not after throwing it in the gutter.  I still couldn't finish correctly because of my leg and had no idea how to play this cool new ball.  I finally got lined up around the 6th frame and and finished X X X / and open in the 10th on a split with a final score of 173.

So, it's entirely possible that he was just trying to sell me a more expensive ball.  I don't yet know.  I'm going to let vanity rule the day and believe that the opinion of my local pro is that I can improve relatively quickly to the point that the ball purchase is justified.  Right now, I don't care as I'm simply having a blast bowling again.

Thanks again for all of the advice given, this n00b appreciates it.

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