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Title: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 10:15:03 AM: They posted cores

R47 $159.99 FOR A OLD B BALL
Brunswick Overseas Balls - Red Alert 4
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_r47.shtml

RS48 $159.99
Zone Classic Core
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_rs48.shtml

R43 $159.99
Brunswick Overseas Balls - Danger Zone IV
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_r43.shtml

P43 $159.99
Brunswick Overseas Balls - Danger Zone IV
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_p43.shtml

Alien $289.99 BS
Brunswick Overseas Balls - Red Alert Plus
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_alien.shtml

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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 17, 2005, 06:18:06 PM: Motion Seconded!
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: bighook69 on June 17, 2005, 06:21:28 PM: I've inspired a monster........... glad i could help

Im not buying them now so i guess i have been boycotting them...

OPERATION 56 - BOYCOTT ELITE BOWLING BALLS
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: azus on June 17, 2005, 06:23:38 PM: some Elites is old brunswicks balls
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: Oskuposer on June 17, 2005, 06:27:29 PM: What is Elite? Probably before my time.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: Oskuposer on June 17, 2005, 06:32:17 PM: O thanks i have never heard of it before.
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Good bowlers use the big B and when they do they create a Storm
Kiall Hill
A.K.A.
The Chipmunk
"Its a trip 4 fest"
"Thanks Randy"
"Yea but the Brunswick ones get all ten down"
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 06:42:40 PM: quote:
why are we boycotting elite?

because we are not buying them
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: azus on June 17, 2005, 06:45:09 PM: They take 160$ for a Elite ball, and its just a midprice brunswick
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: bighook69 on June 17, 2005, 06:45:36 PM: It is the word of the people that can decide and change what happens in the world of business *american flag waving in background* It is up to We the people to decide what can be sold and what we will allow to be sold... We the people decide the outcome of buisiness in this country
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 17, 2005, 06:48:01 PM: quote:
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why are we boycotting elite?

because we can
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Exactly, but more precisely becsaue they sell overpriced Brunswicks and try and hide it. OK OK no Lane#1 bashing here please at least we use our own cores and clearly advertise what kinda ball we are selling. Elite gives funky names and descriptions to their cores and covers which are basically Pk18 and mushroom/doorknob cores they are both brunswick covers and cores. Yet not anywhere online can you find actual pics of their "High Performance Cores" not even on their own website do they show one single core in one single ball. Now for that very reason is why I can't even stand the Idea of them selling balls to unknowing people. Why anyone would buy such a ball is beyond me and there must be justice.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 06:54:03 PM: Look at this crappy video
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/espn2_fox_sports_net_segment.shtml

The say that Elite is a major company. Yeah Right. They are the lowest used company most likely
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: PJM300 on June 17, 2005, 07:09:41 PM: Count me in. Boycott !!!!!!!
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 17, 2005, 07:11:15 PM: Hmmm Family night out for less than the price of a movie who the hell rights this damn stuff. Last i checked open play, shoe rental prices kill movie prices. Lets face it nobody goes out and just bowls one game. Even if a whole family bowled only one game per person and got shoes it would still be close if not more.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: a_ak57 on June 17, 2005, 07:14:37 PM: Uh, aren't all of us ALREADY boycotting them since we buy other stuff?
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: bighook69 on June 17, 2005, 07:15:31 PM: quote:
Uh, aren't all of us ALREADY boycotting them since we buy other stuff?
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Brunswick...........'nuff said.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: Walking E on June 17, 2005, 07:54:49 PM: I suppose I have been boycotting Elite all along because there's no way I would buy their product at that price without more information, which for the longest time wasn't available (and to some extent still isn't). I think it's really bad business to introduce a new product at a premium price with no supporting information to substantiate it's worth, ESPECIALLY when there's no shortage of very well-known premium products from competitors.
In other words, why would anybody pay more for an Elite than for the tried-and-true, well-known top products from Storm, Brunswick, Ebonite, RotoGrip, Track, etc.?
I'm not saying that it's bad to introduce a new product, but Elite should've released those balls for a bargain price so that more bowlers would be inclined to try them out to get word of mouth generated. The buzz will sell more bowling balls. And they also should've released more data about the balls themselves.
Of course, now that it's now known that the balls are basically mid-priced balls for a premium price is even worse for Elite's reputation.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 17, 2005, 08:10:00 PM: quote:
wow.. ESPN are a bunch of morons... the would probably think www.ballreviews.com "stocks the largest range of bowling balls than any other online bowling store" when its actually a review site!?!?!

gay elite! the guy who owns bowlers paradise looks stupid, and he thinks he can fool people into buying his "new super rad killer snap reactive coverstock with ultra fusioned graphite nanotec cores"?? yeah right

BOYCOTT!!

Wait Wait they have Nanotec cores, oh crap that changes everything i gotta stop throwing my buzzsaws now. Glad you told me that. LOL funny stuff bro funny.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 08:31:52 PM: I saw an Elite ball on the ESPN Bowling Night Show, I'm not sure who was throwing it though.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: a_ak57 on June 17, 2005, 08:39:57 PM: Oh yeah, one more thing to add. Is it just me, or did anyone else absolutely despise the way that guy talked in their little propganda video? Boooooowler's paradise. I felt like he was degrading us like he needs to speak slooooowly sooo us booooowlers can understaaaaaand.

And GOSTORM, I don't remember anyone using elite on that show. TO used a punisher and one of the ebonite "time" balls, Mirra used a XXX factor, and I forget the rest. But I never remember seeing anything from elite.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 08:44:24 PM: Elite does not have the biggest logos on there balls but I remember seeing the blue and red one, what ever crazy name it has R something...R47.....Thats it......very catchy.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: a_ak57 on June 17, 2005, 08:45:25 PM: Hmm, interesting, I was keeping tabs on what they were using and I never even noticed it. Probably thought it was just a house ball.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 08:48:11 PM: Yeah it is very hard to notice, I think I only saw it one time. but I definitely did see it. As I said they do not have the biggest logos and I any think the guy was only on once or twice.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: Walking E on June 17, 2005, 08:52:55 PM: quote:
Yeah it is very hard to notice, I think I only saw it one time. but I definitely did see it. As I said they do not have the biggest logos and I any think the guy was only on once or twice.
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Well at least that's one good thing about Elite, as I don't like these giant logos that go halfway around the balls (Track) and/or are filled in (Brunswick) so that you can't black them out.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 17, 2005, 08:56:21 PM: quote:
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Yeah it is very hard to notice, I think I only saw it one time. but I definitely did see it. As I said they do not have the biggest logos and I any think the guy was only on once or twice.
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Well at least that's one good thing about Elite, as I don't like these giant logos that go halfway around the balls (Track) and/or are filled in (Brunswick) so that you can't black them out.
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Edited on 6/17/2005 8:48 PM

You think that they would put big logos on there balls so that they can get some advertising, that they need.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 18, 2005, 09:00:44 AM: ttt
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: VBP-Dustin on June 18, 2005, 09:53:12 AM: i just wrote them an email asking abotu the cores and coverstocks and if they were top secret or something knowing im gonig to get some bs answer from them but i gave it a shot becuase we all know they are old brunswick balls maybe mix and matched covers and cores. when i get my answer from them i will be sure and pos so everyone can see that load of crap they are going to tell me
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: azus on June 18, 2005, 10:01:05 AM: Good Bruns
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: azus on June 18, 2005, 10:08:13 AM: Why donÂ´t just boycott bowlersparadise.com? TheyÂ´r the only shop that sells the Elite.
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: VBP-Dustin on June 18, 2005, 10:09:18 AM: i have met gary heullsenburg or whatever his last name is before many times he used to come into the proshop i go to which i pretty much live at when im not bowling working sleeping or at the casino and that was when he was with ebonite and he recently called my proshop asking them to stock their balls so the proshop owner isnt so great with the computer and asked me to check them out and 2 days later someone on the fourm got a ball rolled like crap so he cut it open and it was a mushroom core with pk 18 so i told and he said no way would he stock the stuff so i want everyone to know that elite is just morich and lane are honest about products and let you know up front and dont make up names for coverstocks like super control in a friction coverstock or some load a just just an example
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brunswick white viz a ball 109.95
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brunswick towel 10.95
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: laner7pin on June 18, 2005, 10:30:37 AM: Checked out bowlersparadise for their "largest selection" and found they carry more white dots and target zones than they do mid-high price balls. I like how they are also selling the Pro-am Inferno (PBA Fire) for $140. Total "perfromance balls per company"

AMF: 1
Brunswick: 6 (10 counting Power Grroves)
Columbia: 7 (8 including their one Scout)
Dynothane: 0
Ebonite: 19 (25 including Tornade line)
Hammer: 10 total including new spare ball
Lane #1: 0
Morich: 3
Roto Grip: 5 including spare tire
Storm: 10 (19 total including 2 team storm, 2 plastic, and 5 hit/big hit)
Track: 6

Elite had 4 plus 2 more spare balls. Knowing the fact that Elite doesnt show their cores which are old Monster cores I believe and give little to no info on the ball tells me they are trying to make a cheap buck on recycled cores/covers.

As far as pricing goes, I did a quick "experiment" with an Impulze Zone:

At our shop, an Impulze is $190 drilled buying from us (grips and slug extra $20 total) total with grips/slug/drilled $210. In this case the ball you get will be the correct pin/top/PSA to match your game best (if we dont have it in stock we order it from our dist. and request the pin/top).

If I buy it from BP, $120 for the ball, $17 for shipping $137 total. Take it to the shop to drill $50 to drill it plus the $20 for grips/slug my total there is $207. When ordering, unless they can match pin/top/PSA to your request, you may get a 1" pin with high top, or a 5" pin with good top but bad PSA mark.

In other words, pay the extra $3 and get a ball that will "work" better for your game. BOYCOTT!

Laner
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: shelley on June 18, 2005, 10:51:25 AM: quote:
get a 1" pin with high top, or a 5" pin with good top but bad PSA mark.

I thought that the PSA on Big B balls was determined by a pin that was attached to the core. They also engrave the ellipse showing the orientation of the core inside the ball. They don't need to spin them to find the MB/PSA since the marks are built in as part of the manufacturing process and not engraved on later (well, the ellipse is).

SH
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: qstick777 on June 18, 2005, 09:28:31 PM: quote:
Hmmm Family night out for less than the price of a movie who the hell rights this damn stuff. Last i checked open play, shoe rental prices kill movie prices. Lets face it nobody goes out and just bowls one game. Even if a whole family bowled only one game per person and got shoes it would still be close if not more.

Definately more where I live! $3-5 for the shoe rental, and $4.95 per game (that is the after 6pm price - $2.69-4.95 during the day depending on which center you pick). Throw in the outrageous food prices (pretty much on par with movie theater prices) and the fact that at least a movie will entertain you for 90+ minutes, and the movie deal wins hands down!

If that crappy video was on ESPN2 and FSN it must have been a paid program! That had infomercial written all over it!
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: stanski on June 19, 2005, 11:51:36 PM: I like the video "Stocks all major companies like elite, brunswick, and dexter." I really hope that company goes under.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: DP3 on June 20, 2005, 12:11:51 AM: Just wondering how you can boycott something that you've never used in the first place? I've never owned a set of golf clubs, doesn't mean I'm boycotting any manufacturers.

I say leave it alone and don't worry, they probaly won't be around next year. Look at NeoTac.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: VBP-Dustin on June 21, 2005, 01:12:33 PM: i just recieved a response from gary at elite and i can say he was rather upset with my post which he did find on ballreviews and did a copy and paste into the e-mail so i just responed to him again asking for pictures of all the cores as well as the true coverstocks on elite bowling balls. i also told him i would delete all of my posts in this matter if what he sends me is the actual truth.

dustin
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: BowlerKidR on June 21, 2005, 01:28:09 PM: http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_alien_viz.shtml

Another Brunswick ball with the crapy Elite name on it. Freaking Alien Vis
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: bighook69 on June 21, 2005, 01:28:47 PM: this could become interesting there!!!
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 21, 2005, 01:30:33 PM: quote:
i just recieved a response from gary at elite and i can say he was rather upset with my post which he did find on ballreviews and did a copy and paste into the e-mail so i just responed to him again asking for pictures of all the cores as well as the true coverstocks on elite bowling balls. i also told him i would delete all of my posts in this matter if what he sends me is the actual truth.

dustin
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brunswick white viz a ball 109.95
brunswick staff shirt 35.95
brunswick towel 10.95
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I will delete this whole post if they show us the cores of there balls.
I dont want gary to get all upset, we are just having some fun here.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: RotoT on June 21, 2005, 01:50:41 PM: Yep ther's 6 1/2 minutes of my life I will never get back.
Whp the hell comes up with this stuff. Dude That video was a total numb nut production. And the big name ELITE ball is a big name P.O.S.
come on get real.
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: VBP-Dustin on June 21, 2005, 03:35:25 PM: still no word from gary after my most recent e-mail
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brunswick white viz a ball 109.95
brunswick staff shirt 35.95
brunswick towel 10.95
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: qstick777 on June 21, 2005, 03:58:08 PM: Hey everybody bowlersparadise.com is having specials on the ELITE balls thru June 30th! Check them out: http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/combo.shtml

I heard these are great new state-of-the-art balls, and the offical ball of the PBA Tour!
Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 21, 2005, 10:14:13 PM: I will be locking this post now
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Title: Re: ELITE BOYCOTT **POSTED CORES**
Post by: sportbowler on June 21, 2005, 10:14:30 PM: quote:
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_p43.shtml

They put core pics up.

Looks like they have a more expensive line coming too.
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/balls/elite/elite_alien.shtml

Coverstock might just sound like activator. Anyone wanna guess the price?
My guess is $205.00. Too low?

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