Ok let me start off by saying throw down and in..speed 15.. Stroker left handed..right now I'm throwing big b and dv8..like to try radical and motiv...and suggestions from both of these company's would be great...I bowl on ths sometimes it's a lot heavier don't know why but it is...thanks in advance

I agree with Milo, the Revolt Havoc is plenty of ball for heavier THS (at least in my experience).  That said, the Havoc is very smooth and can hook kinda early.  If you like to play straighter then you could have some early burn situations.  But if you like that look, then the Havoc is your ball.

If you like a little more push through the heads and still want to stay symmetrical, then a Primal Remix at 2000 could be a step up and then a Primal Remix at box would be a step up from that (as far as getting down the lane).  I would be afraid the Primal Fear is too much skid to be a true first ball out of the bag.  Especially on the left side where it can be wet/dry and the Fear could be uncontrollable when it leaves the pattern.

If you like asymmetricals, then the Trident could be your ball.  But it is a LOT of ball and some people don't necessarily match up with asymmetricals as well as symmetricals. A lot of that is due to improper drilling, but being a Buddies customer, I trust they know what they are doing and could set you up correctly.

Wish you the best of luck!!

What is in your bag now and how much more ball are you looking for?  Is it a ball for league or for a specific tournament pattern?

Thanks for asking this question.  I fell into the trap of not knowing what the bowler has already before making blanket statements.

Thinking jackal le..buts lot money for a ball not going to use that much,now the trident ball seems like a good choice, if I could past that purple color of revolt havoc,probably get that..they didn't do themselves any favors with that color choice

Plastic up the middle rarely splits. I use 9=10 and I only get 1 or 2 splits a series.
My low average is from my spare shooting not splits


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Guru Supreme if you like a slightly angular attack!

You also could do 500/2000 for a even better earlier heavy oil ball reaction as well.

What about original revolt seen a few on eBay..don't know if it's for heavy oil or not

The original Revolt was a great ball.  Sanded it could handle more than enough oil I saw with my release.  With some shine it had enough push I could move in with it without losing too much carry.

But as was said, if it was released today, it would be in the medium-medium heavy area of the Motiv arsenal.  Probably similar to your Diva Divine or Brute Strength (depending on surface).

If you want something more than what you have, then the Trident or Jackal LE would be the next significant step.  And with the Jackal LE market prices, I would go with the Trident.