Author Topic: Is 900 Global making a mistake? (Read 4368 times)

REVerse · « **on:** September 07, 2007, 01:29:11 PM »

I respect 900 Global. Their willingness to support pro shops is an example ALL ball manufacturers should follow... Or should they?

This site is affiliated with bowling.com. (900 Global does not sell to internet dealers.) Do you think bowling.com/ballreviews.com will recognize 900 Global? That would be a NO.

Also, bowlingballreviews.com/buddiesproshop will not recognize 900 Global. No reviews will be available on that site. 900G balls are not recognized as "new release." No mention whatsoever. Yet. Will they ever? Dunno.

As we all know, the internet vs. pro shops battle continues. Respected pro shops are now partnering with internet dealers. Nick "Brunsnick" has a partnership with bowlingball.com. Is this a bad thing? No. Sounds like a willingness to "meet in the middle." The internet is here to stay.

Is 900 Global making a mistake with their marketing strategy? You decide.

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Edited on 9/7/2007 10:12 PM

tenpin · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:58:02 PM »

If that is the only reason why this site will not put them on then I guess they are not doing justice for the public. This is suppose to be a bowling site to help people out with equipment. I do not understand the purpose of having Hammer and Faball forums. Faball should be combined with hammer. That forum is rarely used. I can say that if they don't start listing the equipment then I will start using the other bowling site alot more since they have Global equipment posted and have a reviews section. I hope it doesn't come down to that but if you turn your back on a company because you have no internet affliates with it then that will be ballreviews loss.
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900 Global: The world is ours
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REVerse · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:59:50 PM »

Agree 100%
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Xfest · « **Reply #3 on:** September 07, 2007, 10:01:59 PM »

I think they are.. In reality, I think more bowlers tend to find stuff about bowling balls online..

The Break is such a great ball, I would hate it not to be even close to being recognized at where it should be.. Where we have balls like the Ebonite NVS, that are horrid not new releases, selling more than a ball with advanced technology.
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shelley · « **Reply #4 on:** September 07, 2007, 10:17:50 PM »

Have you asked BR-TECH why 900G balls are not available for review here? He was more than willing to add Banger and Insite to the review section in spite of their limited releases and sales. Bowling.com doesn't carry either Insite or Banger and yet they are listed here.

It does take time to get things done and the 900G balls are pretty new. Send him a PM and ask for a 900G review section. I'm still not convinced about the forum business, they're not really any bigger than Banger or Insite at this point, no matter their pedigree.

SH

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #5 on:** September 07, 2007, 11:01:27 PM »

the balls coming from 900 Global are usbc and pba approved. their 3G shoes, which i have just purchased, are pba approved. this is all that really matters to me. although i won't throw their equipment i have nothing against them. 900 Global is in business to make money. their marketing/sales people are working hard to make money just like every other company in this country.

BuddiesProShopcom - Bill · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2007, 06:55:39 AM »

I have spoke with Phil a couple of times along the trade show circuit this season and he told us right from the get go that he wasn't going to sell to the internet. That is his choice and we have no problem with that. The new AZO is going to be doing the same thing. As for BowlingBallReviews.com, all the 900 Global balls are listed on the site under the overseas section, because all of the 900 Global balls are mainly being released over there, and 900 Global has their own forum on that site. We are still selling the 3G shoes and will support Phil. Phil has always been a straight shooter, and that is all you can ask for in the business.
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pnj1967 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 08, 2007, 07:09:39 AM »

Yes I think Global is making a misteak.

This is also THEIR (bowling.com ) site.

If Global wants to not sell to online people thats their business, let them or ANY other company START and Maintain THEIR own site that does this !!!!!!!!

If people are interested in Global and their balls let them start their own site and any one can GO there to read chat or converse.

You may start using other sites, but they are never as busy or informative as this is to most.

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If that is the only reason why this site will not put them on then I guess they are not doing justice for the public. This is suppose to be a bowling site to help people out with equipment. I do not understand the purpose of having Hammer and Faball forums. Faball should be combined with hammer. That forum is rarely used. I can say that if they don't start listing the equipment then I will start using the other bowling site alot more since they have Global equipment posted and have a reviews section. I hope it doesn't come down to that but if you turn your back on a company because you have no internet affliates with it then that will be ballreviews loss.
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Derek Trowbridge
900 Global: The world is ours
www.900global.com

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Enjoy the people on the ballreview.com forum. Like to help when I can.

Users I wont deal with, read my profile

Edited on 9/8/2007 7:29 AM

tenpin · « **Reply #8 on:** September 08, 2007, 07:58:29 AM »

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Have you asked BR-TECH why 900G balls are not available for review here?

It does take time to get things done and the 900G balls are pretty new. Send him a PM and ask for a 900G review section. I'm still not convinced about the forum business, they're not really any bigger than Banger or Insite at this point, no matter their pedigree.

SH

I have sent him a pm and all I got was he will put it up for consideration and can't make any promises at this time.
Yes PNJ you are right other sites are not as busy as this one but what made this site so popular was that bowlers could get on here and learn about all of the ball companies. I don't understand what is so hard to add a link to the left side that says 900Global. Ballreviews has not even recognized the new balls out on the right side like for new releases.
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900 Global: The world is ours
www.900global.com

pnj1967 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 08, 2007, 08:13:14 AM »

tenpin,
You have left out one "IMPORTANT" thing, BEFORE this ever happened, NO ball company ever took the approach that Global has. This may be what we have to be looking for in the future.

Why should ballreviews.com post any thing for Global if that is what Globals approach is, by not selling to them, kudos to bowling.com for doing this !!!

I see nothing wrong with what bowling.com is doing or what they have done so far. If Global doesnt want to sell to places like bowling.com, let Global start their own site and see how much traffic and input they have.

Not a attack on you tenpin, I just disagree with this and what Global is doing.

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Have you asked BR-TECH why 900G balls are not available for review here?

It does take time to get things done and the 900G balls are pretty new. Send him a PM and ask for a 900G review section. I'm still not convinced about the forum business, they're not really any bigger than Banger or Insite at this point, no matter their pedigree.

SH

I have sent him a pm and all I got was he will put it up for consideration and can't make any promises at this time.
Yes PNJ you are right other sites are not as busy as this one but what made this site so popular was that bowlers could get on here and learn about all of the ball companies. I don't understand what is so hard to add a link to the left side that says 900Global. Ballreviews has not even recognized the new balls out on the right side like for new releases.
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Derek Trowbridge
900 Global: The world is ours
www.900global.com

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Enjoy the people on the ballreview.com forum. Like to help when I can.

Users I wont deal with, read my profile.

jls · « **Reply #10 on:** September 08, 2007, 09:09:49 AM »

mistake, yes or no?

i still believe that "most" ball sales made in pro shops, are a result of the pro shops recommendation.

believe it or not, most of the 55 mil bowlers, may not have heard of this site, or seldom visit this site.

on a good day we may see 700-900 on at one time.

and more then likely it is the same 700 - 900 that visit this site on a regular basis.

therefore, in the long run, mr phil may be doing the right thing.
he will be very well received by small pro shops.

and once again, many sales are made from the advise bowlers get from their
ball drillers!!!!

now every now and then, a big time winner comes along, like the black widow pearl. and bowlers just come in and ask for it.

but the majority of the time, bowlers seek advise from the pro shop,
and i really don't think too many pro shops will be giving the thumbs down to mr phil's equipment.

so the real test will be, if the customers who buy the ball { phil's } based on the pro shops advise, are happy with it!!!!

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jls, proud watcher of womens golf

Edited on 9/8/2007 10:10 AM

REVerse · « **Reply #11 on:** September 08, 2007, 09:24:39 AM »

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As for BowlingBallReviews.com, all the 900 Global balls are listed on the site under the overseas section...
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Bill
BuddiesProShop.com
"The Place All Bowlers Shop"

Bill- Most bowlers and dealers understand what is going on here. It is your site and you have the right to do as you wish. Phil has made a decision to avoid the internet. Personally, I feel this is a mistake. pnj1967 summed it up well...
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"SUPPORT PRO SHOPS"

jls · « **Reply #12 on:** September 08, 2007, 09:56:29 AM »

900 global selling to pro shops only, or selling to online dealers, to me,
it does not matter anymore.

just about every ball on the market is available to both pro shops and online dealers. the black widow pearl is one of the biggest selling balls out right now. it's on the net, yet it is by far our best selling ball.

now sure most pro shops will be happy to hear that mr phil's ball will not be sold online. but that is just 1-2 models. the other zillion balls on the market, are online. and that is a pro shop fact of life. they must deal with it!!!!!!

several years ago, a few major companies where "toying" with the idea of selling direct to the pro shops and avoiding the dist. I felt that was a big mistake. pro shops need their dist., and the ball companies need them too.

personally i would like to see mr phil's balls sold to dist. and if that means some may make it online. i have no problem with that.
its a fact of pro shop life nowadays.

now as for br, not posting any reviews about the 900 global.
well that's their right!!!!!

but personally, i think it is a mistake.

if you don't see any reviews on it, on this site, yet see bowlers using the ball and scoring, to me br loses!!!!!!

br, to me was all about reviews on all brands of balls.

br could lose some credability, if no reviews are seen on a particular ball, yet many br members see said ball being used, and see bowlers scoring!!!

now i fully understand that br has some online dealers that sponser their site.

so i can understand if no reviews on a particular ball do not make it on this site.

and i think i undersatnd what mr phil is trying to do, to help small pro shops. and as a small pro shop, i thank him.

but 1-2 balls not on the net, will not change todays market.

pro shops have to sharpen their pencils, offer a decent price, and continue to improve on their customer service.

and most of all>>>>>

STOP WORRING ABOUT ONLINE DEALERS!!!!

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jls, proud watcher of womens golf

BuddiesProShopcom - Bill · « **Reply #13 on:** September 08, 2007, 12:31:03 PM »

pnj1967 - You are wrong on not selling to the Internet. There have been several companies that have started out not selling to the internet, but then changed their policy.
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BuddiesProShop.com
"The Place All Bowlers Shop"

Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** September 08, 2007, 01:39:44 PM »

This really is the day and age of the internet, and at least for me when I want info on anything, I turn to the internet. It is convenient, fast and extremely simple....not to mention saves gas by staying home and not having to drive all the way to the shop, library, place of business, to get information. Also I don't have any pesky sales person pushing a sale on me, or trying to steer me in another direction, especially if I am just browsing.

Now I am one of the people that come on here and read posts...so I do know that 900 Global exists and that they have a couple new releases, but there are many people who don't go to this site, and if they are in the market for a new ball they will go to bowlingball.com or bowling.com or buddies or whatever and see what's new. Find a ball they might like, and make purchase decisions that way. If 900 Global is not selling over the internet, I think that could cause them to lose some sales.

A new company should not be so picky. I understand that if they help out the shops by not selling to internet distributors maybe some shops will push their equipment a tad, but if someone with little bowling ball knowledge walks into a shop and has never heard of 900 global....do you think they would say okay I'll pay the same price for a ball from a company I have never heard of, or take a ball from a company that they have heard of?

If all ball companies decided to just out right stop selling to internet dealers I think the plan could ultimately work, but ball companies make money regardless of who they're selling to, so why would anyone want to shoot themselves in the foot?

I would be willing to take a chance on 900 Global because I like to try new equipment and I am a pretty hard core bowler. I've lost a lot of money trying out other pieces that haven't worked out for me, and that's okay, it happens. However for everyone 1 person like me, there are 9 that aren't willing to try something new like this.

That being said....I don't think 900 Global could have asked for more publicity than they are getting right now for the people that do visit this site. Many posts about them....next ball I decide to purchase directly from my Pro Shop...The Creature, unless they come out with something even better in the mean time. That also being said..if they offered them online, I'd have one of the Break and the Creature right now.

Sorry for the book....well really it's only a small chapter....ignore as needed.
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