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vadertyme03

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Kong
« on: September 18, 2005, 11:28:45 AM »
Has anyone thrown a Kong ? If so howd it do for you and what kind of reaction ?

 

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Re: Kong
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2005, 08:25:24 PM »
my buddy got one drilled and i will see it in action tomorrow, tuesday and wednesday so i will report back then
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Re: Kong
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2005, 08:43:13 PM »
The new lanemasters one not that one

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Re: Kong
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2005, 11:09:14 PM »
I just had a Kong drilled up this week and don't have a lot of use with it yet (about 8 games) but I can give you my first impression.  First off, it's drilled 4 1/4 x 3 1/4, pin under ring.  I left it in box condition (sheen).

I had read the reviews in both Bowlers Journal and BTM and had a look in my head as to what I would expect; sort of long for a particle with a big turn on the back.  I think BTM said this is a ball you must trust to turn the corner; Bowlers Journal said Heavy roll through the mids with a big backend move.  

I originally bought this to replace my Yeah Baby as that has a number of games on it and I needed a "reason" to put this in my bag.  I kind of knew that I wouldn't be using it in my league the night I bought it because it's a second shift pos shot league on old wood lanes where you wouldn't be using this kind of ball but I had to throw it in practice at least just to see.  As I was walking towards my lanes charlest was leaving (he bowls first shift) and all he said as he was shaking his head was that the lanes were even drier than last week.  No chance of using it tonight.  When I got to my pair the league before us was just finishing and there were 8 women using plastic balls.  I thought, carrydown, maybe I can use it!  Well, I tried every spot on that lane, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th arrow and that ball didn't even try to wrinkle.  I figured there wasn't enough oil and it was burnt before it hit the arrows.  Back in the bag it went.  I would have to wait for another day to try the new weapon.  I went back a day later and they had oiled about 4 hours prior and didn't have any leagues so I thought I might have a chance to use it.  Straight as an arrow.  I have the BTM review floating in my head and I'm seeing the opposite.  I tried all different lines but no hook.  I went again today and as I walked in they were running the machine.  They only ran about 35-40' and left the backends with whatever play was on them.  I figured, ok, fresh oil up front and possible carrydown from open bowling.  Now we're going to see what this ball can do.  Nada.  It never tried to make it back.  I remember the pro shop saying that from what they've seen of this ball it appears to be allergic to oil.  Now this is not saying it's not a good ball, it just didn't fit the picture that I had built in my mind of what this ball was going to do.  I wound up shooting over 700, with a 279 game in the set but I had to move way right and play an angle towards the pocket.  When the ball was near the pocket it annihilated the pins. If I didn't concentrate and I let the ball out to the right slightly it didn't make it back to the pocket.  I had no "mistake" room.  I bowl on synthetics tomorrow night (last week I had to play deep) and will try the Kong on this shot.  I will start playing around with different surfaces and see what results I get.  I'll give an update.

BowlerKidR....I look forward to hearing how your buddy did with his.  


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Re: Kong
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2005, 09:07:28 PM »
Well, today and yesterday i saw this bad boy in action. One problem. The bowler wasnt very good to begin with, but from what i saw, when i thought this ball was going to make a nice coontrolled arc being a med particle, man, NIG AZZ SNAP. It was a nice look with the goldish label and the black ball going down the lane. Really, i cant tell you guys much anything thats important due to the face that we really werent bowling on the right condition, we were on like wither med-light or toast oil so what can i say.
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Re: Kong
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2005, 11:42:51 PM »
Here's a quick update: I used the Kong last night on drier synthetics with very strong backends and this ball came to life!  I left it in box condition and it performed just like the reviews said: long and big backend.  It had great hit and carry also.  I had a 737 with a 287 in the set.  So based on my limited use with this ball it does appear to be the opposite of what is advertised (for me).  It doesn't like oil or carrydown but seems to do great on medium-light with strong backends.  This is not the condition I bought it for but it found a place in my bag and now I'll have to keep looking for a ball for my oilier/carrydown shot.

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Re: Kong
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2005, 07:33:44 AM »
So the Kong is NOT designed to handle medium to medium heavy oil? Could someone else give some input on this ball? I have checked both ball review sites (ballreviews doesn't have ANY reviews on this ball at all...) I'm hoping there are some more folks who have tried the ball and just haven't given a review.
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Re: Kong
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2005, 02:09:07 PM »
Ball Death, thank you for the info. on the Kong. I really, really like this ball and look foward to getting it.
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Re: Kong
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2005, 04:37:35 PM »
Shoutout,

As BD described above, as long as the pattern is not too long or too heavy (and does not have carrydown) you should be able to use this ball with great success, despite what BTM says about it being for heavy oil.  BD and I have been trading info and even though me and my buddy charlest don't see eye to eye on this, for me and my style and the pattern that I "see", this ball is not for heavy oil or carrydown.  

I also have to agree with BD on the hitting power of the Kong.  Absolutely great!  I am using it with great success on lighter medium/shorter synthetics with screaming backends and I am finding this to be a great ball.  I've used it for 2 weeks in this league and am averaging 249 for 6 games (737 and 758).  I know this is way too early to tell how the ball is going to be long term but what a great start.  Other bowlers are having a hard time controlling the backends but I've been playing 16 to 8 and it comes back strong, doesn't overreact and carries great.  It makes me look like I have some hand  But if I get too deep and hit the heavier oil in the middle, even with the strong backends, it doesn't make it back.

If you're bowling on some sort of medium pattern with clean backends you should love this ball.  Let us know how you make out with yours.  Take care....JS

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Re: Kong
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2005, 07:43:21 AM »
So let me get this straight. You're saying that the Kong is more of a medium oil ball than a medium heavy ball. Well if that's the case then I really don't need the ball right now and I'm SOL! I have an old LT-48 gold that I'm building an arsenal around, and it's designed for medium oil. I planned to do the following:

AP2: heavy oil & heavy sport condidtions
Kong: medium to medium heavy
Straight Flush: Light to Dry


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Re: Kong
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2005, 07:55:32 AM »
According to Bill Hoffman Legends/LM staffer he opens up the lane with his Kong and then switches to a Masterpiece or lesser hooking ball Absolute Power.

It really all depends on amount of oil volume and oil across the lane as to how one is going to play them....right?  Everybodies technique, revs, etc differ.  What works for one player may not work for another.

That's why majority of BR's reviews are poor...I'd never go off one of them unless I knew the reviewer very well.  

I'd put more stock in a BTM review.

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Re: Kong
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2005, 09:23:22 AM »
Ok. Fair enough. So what did BTM have to say about the ball? They should have done a reveiw on the ball by now.
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Re: Kong
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2005, 11:59:03 AM »
You need to take everyone's comments (BTM and Bowlers Journal included)as a data point, not as an absolute answer.  The only truth will be when you have the ball in your hand and throw it on your condition.  I'll give you an example:  Bowlers Journal has the NS2 with the highest overall hook value:
NS2 84; AP2 82; Kong 81; Masterpiece 81.  BTM says that the NS2 has the least overall hook: AP2 54; Kong 52; Masterpiece 47; NS2 46.  Seems to be a completely different result with their testers.  

Also, I would not compare the hitting and carrying power of the Kong to the LT-48 Gold.  The Kong hits extremely hard and has great carry.  It just pushes down the lane (again, for me) and I need to have clean backends for it to work for me and my style/speed/revs etc.  It could be the higher rg that makes it push for me.


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Re: Kong
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2005, 01:13:24 PM »
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It could be the higher rg that makes it push for me.


This is what is attractive to me about the majority of Legends/LM stuff.

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Re: Kong
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2005, 01:33:19 PM »
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both of you are correct the rg and the coverstock makes the ball want to push up the lane and when it gets to the end of the pattern it will have great ball reaction , this ball is very clean through the heads , great ball on the correct lane condition.


That being said....I do wonder at times why more ball mfgs. don't come out with higher Rg stuff.  I guess for the rev challenged fluffers.  

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