Author Topic: Legends/Lane Masters Cores (Read 7217 times)

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **on:** April 14, 2005, 12:47:20 AM »

Why is it that Legends/Lane Masters are so anti lower RG cores? I mean look at ALL of their current equipment. With the exception of The Answer (which has an RG rating of 2.56 which is still pretty high) every ball they have has an RG value of 2.61 or higher! I made the mistake of buying The New Standard. Yes it does hit very very hard, but it skids 45 feet down the lane until it starts to dig in. Heavy oil? Forget that. It barely worked on medium/heavy for me. A friend of mine has the Yeah Baby and that thing skids just as far.

Come on Legends/Lane Masters, I know you like high RG cores since they store more energy and deliver it on impact (which is why they probably hit so hard), but what good is the ball if you can't get it to the pocket without having to square-up all of the time? Not all of us are crankers ya know...

--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Edited on 4/18/2005 8:24 AM

JPRLane1 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 14, 2005, 08:49:30 AM »

I am guessing only guessing but because most of their covers involve particle in some form or another also might be why they tend to have higher RG's.
--------------------

There is only one Lane#1. Know it, Live it, Throw it or Get Beat by IT!

Leader & Founder of Fellowship of the Saws! Respect us or get left in our Saw Dust!

Honorary member of the almighty NATION!

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #2 on:** April 14, 2005, 08:50:41 AM »

Particle or no particle. I had my New Standard drilled pretty aggressive and that thing was put to shame by every other ball in my arsenal. I don't understand why every single ball they have has the same core value >2.6
--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Edited on 4/14/2005 8:45 AM

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 14, 2005, 12:28:06 PM »

I prefer lower RG balls also and up to the lower end of medium RG balls. An exception to this statement is the Track Rule GP2 of which has a higher RG of 2.57, but it also has an aggressive cover and performs like other balls in the 2.45 to 2.51 range for me. A drilling with Pin under RF and MB on the VAL also aids it's performance for me. One of the best balls I have ever had and is very versatile to a wide range of conditions. I have some friends that have the New Standard and Yeah Baby with Pins under RF and CG's kicked out1 1/2 to 2 inches and they are having success with these Lane Masters balls, although not as well as the success I am having with the GP2. The Lane Masters balls won't handle heavy oil here and do so-so in medium heavy unless you have a lot of hand. However they work pretty well on medium light to medium oil where I bowl.
--------------------
Owner of a 129 game and a 486 series bowled with a Brunswick Impulse Zone.

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2005, 12:48:29 PM »

quote:
The Lane Masters balls won't handle heavy oil here and do so-so in medium heavy unless you have a lot of hand. However they work pretty well on medium light to medium oil where I bowl.

Exactly

--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #5 on:** April 14, 2005, 12:51:21 PM »

Wow i have 2 new standards one dulled to 1000 abralon and one highly polished box condition, they react like two totally different balls. I would say knock off the polish and it will cut through oil with no problem from having 2 i can tell you from real use that you can use it for heavier mediums to heavy oil shots but not floods. The super carbide bomb, the real deal and the gp2 are still better flood choices but you did not waste your money on the new standard either.

POlished the ball skids flips hard at about 45-47 feet and then most of the time covers 10-15 boards easy in the remaining 15 feet or so, dull the ball heavy rolls and arcs so surface prep is key here. I have almost exact drills and pin outs and top on both so this is not the issue, try 1000 matte and lower and i will bet you change your mind about the ball and rg rating being high.

The funny part is i also have the Absolute Power reactive and it is a great ball with lighter patterns and it goes even longer and harder backend motion. The absolute and new standard a particle are closer in polished states but the new standard becomes a huge hooking ball on oil in dull condition.

Edited on 4/14/2005 12:57 PM

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 14, 2005, 01:04:09 PM »

Who makes the Lane Masters balls?

--------------------
Owner of a 129 game and a 486 series bowled with a Brunswick Impulse Zone.

mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #7 on:** April 14, 2005, 01:27:57 PM »

Lane Masters is out of california good small ball company great hitting power and well designed by Fred Borden and Sam Baca. Try one out sometime i think you will like what you see in there ball lineup, i hear the Big Kuhuna is a great ball but have not got that one or Yeah Baby yet.

http://www.legendsbowling.com/products.php

Edited on 4/14/2005 1:28 PM

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #8 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:07:41 PM »

bowlingnut and bradley - My New Standard had the box finish on it whatever that was. It looked pretty dull to me...still reacted like it was being thrown on ice. I whipped out my Vendetta Particle with probably 300 games on it, and it made The New Standard look like a spare ball. After forcing myself to stick with The New Standard for 3 weeks I got rid of it as soon as I could!

Every Legends/Lane Masters ball I've seen thrown by anyone less than a cranker just lopes down the lane. Maybe it's our house shot. That still doesn't explain why my Fire Quantum, Vendetta Particle, The Thing, The Thing Returns, and Slate Blue Gargoyle all out-react The New Standard while I had it...
--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Edited on 4/14/2005 2:06 PM

omegabowler · « **Reply #9 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:24:13 PM »

Lane master balls get good length even for a particle. now you said that you drilled it strong? what does that mean?

you profile says you have med to high speed. did you drill it for length?
did you drill it pin down? were you looking for backend? control of the midlane? thier particle balls play real nice on a THS and do not need help getting through the heads.

I think if you have speed you need to keep the pin down becuse they do get good lope through the heads.

--------------------
"deserves got nothing to do with it."
-- William Munny

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #10 on:** April 14, 2005, 02:28:01 PM »

I just seem to feel that they should introduce a ball or two with around a 2.52 RG value. Presents bowlers with more options. Some bowlers do not matchup well with high RG balls just as Brickguy221 stated above. But hey, what do I know?

--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #11 on:** April 14, 2005, 03:46:30 PM »

I appreciate the offer, but I am going with some Brunswick equipment.

--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Edited on 4/14/2005 3:40 PM

Brian Pursel · « **Reply #12 on:** April 14, 2005, 04:06:04 PM »

The reason that manufacturers use the "filler" is exactly as Greg7 says. To make a lower RG ball, weight must be added to the inner core. The only way to do this is to replace some of the coverstock thickness with a material that is less dense. If you made the inner core more dense without an outer core, you would increase the gross weight at the same time. Also, the USBC has a restriction on the density of materials to be used in the inner cores, so it is difficult to create the necessary mass in a small volume core.

Contrary to some opinions, ball manufacturers do not use the filler material to lower the cost of the product. It is a tool to be able to offer a wider range of RG's and differentials to the consumer.
--------------------
Brian Pursel
Director of Sales
Track International
Evolutionary. Revolutionary.

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2005, 06:45:00 AM »

quote:
Every Legends/Lane Masters ball I've seen thrown by anyone less than a cranker just lopes down the lane. Maybe it's our house shot. That still doesn't explain why my Fire Quantum, Vendetta Particle, The Thing, The Thing Returns, and Slate Blue Gargoyle all out-react The New Standard while I had it...
--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*
"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"
BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Here you've said it yourself.
If you can even use these balls, Fire Quantum, Thing Thing Returns, and especially the Slate Blue Gargoyle, (all of which I've had), you just don't have enough oil to even begin to think about using a New Standard. It's not skidding or loping, it's already grabbed and gone.

The RGs are high because the coverstocks on the New Standard, Yeah Baby! and the Big Kahuna are so strong. Just like Track's GP2, they need the higher RG to achieve usable length.

Sir Bowl-A-Lot · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2005, 07:59:02 AM »

quote:
Here you've said it yourself.
If you can even use these balls, Fire Quantum, Thing Thing Returns, and especially the Slate Blue Gargoyle, (all of which I've had), you just don't have enough oil to even begin to think about using a New Standard. It's not skidding or loping, it's already grabbed and gone.

The RGs are high because the coverstocks on the New Standard, Yeah Baby! and the Big Kahuna are so strong. Just like Track's GP2, they need the higher RG to achieve usable length.

You left out the Vendetta Particle from your little quote...but I guess that is for dry lanes also eh char?

--------------------
*Don't swing it if you can't bring it.*

"Hey Guero..." "Yeah, bro?"

BallReviews member since 3/31/2003 (since 2001 under the late user name buzzsaw16)

Edited on 4/18/2005 7:53 AM

Author Topic: Legends/Lane Masters Cores (Read 7217 times)

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Legends/Lane Masters Cores

JPRLane1

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Brickguy221

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

mrbowlingnut

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Brickguy221

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

mrbowlingnut

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

omegabowler

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Brian Pursel

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

charlest

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores

Sir Bowl-A-Lot

Re: Legends/Lane Masters Cores