Motiv GT-1 or TX-1????

[skbowl800]

I am looking to give one of these balls a try but I am torn as to which one to purchase so I was hoping to get some of your opinions.

My stats:
Power Tweener
PAP-5 5/8 over 0
Speed 16-19 depending on line
Revs-380ish
Axis rotation-I have been told it is 50 degrees
Tilt-not sure but I my track is dead center on the ball all the way around, lots of friction!

I bowl on wood lanes with guardian heads, maintained preety well.  40ft of oil.  The guardian causes my stuff to read the lanes really early.  Balls I currently use-
Roto Grip-Neptune Pin over ring finger
Venus-Pin over bridge
Cell Pearl-Pin over middle finger
AMF Villain-Pin under ring finger
900 Global Creature Pearl drilled Rico

My Cell Pearl works good the first game and a half then it starts checking up early and I can't move left fast enough.  My Neptune works the best for me at this house.  I can throw it straight up the 10 board or move in against the ball return if there is enough friction to bump off of.  

So given this info, which one should I try?  Thanks in advance for any info/help.
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[JustinWi]

GT1 would seem the better choice due to your high friction heads.  The TX1 likes to read early, definitely not what your surface would require.

I would be tempted to suggest putting your favorite layout on it.  Just keep in mind the lower differential, don't be too afraid of stronger pin positions.

[skbowl800]

So even though it has a low rg you think it would be ok?  I typically have not had much success with lower rg balls.  I was curious though since it does have the lower differential I thought it might be the one to go with.
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[charlest]

Have to agree with Drrev200 here.
If the Cell Pearl is checking up, the GT-1 and TX-1 are not goign to get you more length.
In fact, if you have the Villain and still have to use the neptune, no current Motiv ball that I am aware of will get the easy length of the Neptune or the Villain, for that matter, if the Villain has the stock surface. In addition, the Creature Peasrl will get even more length than the Villain. If you can't use either of those balls ....

TX-1 is for medium to medium heavy oil.
GT-1 is for Medium-heavy oil.

I imagine the GT-1 will check up before the Cell pearl will.


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[JustinWi]

Honestly the SX1 would be the best choice for your condition.  

If you were set on a GT1, I would suggest something close to 70x60@5.5" with 4k Abralon under a good helping of PowerGel Polish.

[scotts33]

SX1 will roll early low Rg.  In reality IMO, Motiv does not have a ball for dry.  Your Neptune, Creature Pearl and Villain are much less hooking and higher Rg for length than an SX1.
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[JustinWi]

It isn't always about the numbers.  I have an SX1 drilled 65x30@5.5", 4000 Abralon, it clears friction in the heads with ease.

[scotts33]

quote:It isn't always about the numbers. I have an SX1 drilled 65x30@5.5", 4000 Abralon, it clears friction in the heads with ease.  

And the video shows you with the SX1 way deep inside with high back swing and higher ball speed.  I would not say you are the average Joe Hack bowler.

The SX1 is not a dry lane ball sorry....JMO.  You can not compare the SX1 in the same comparison of a Neptune or even a Villain.

Until Motiv comes out with a drier lane ball they simply don't have one.
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[JustinWi]

quote:And the video shows you with the SX1 way deep inside with high back swing and higher ball speed.

The ball in the video was the first SX1 I drilled, 65x70@4.75", and box 2000 and polish.



I'll have a vid soon of the 4k SX1, it goes significantly longer...

[JustinWi]

BTW.  I have 6 MOTIV balls drilled at this point, (2)GT1s (2)TR2  (2)SX1.  I plan to do a video for each to compare different drilling and surface specifications in the next week or 2.

[skbowl800]

ok thanks for the input guys.  I do want to clear some things up though, my neptune doesn't check up early, it actually works great at this house if I play a straighter line.  Same goes for the Villain I have, it is drilled pin down and I think that takes away from the backend alot, it is probably my most rolly ball I have.  

My Creature pearl is drilled rico so it reads really early but doesn't seem to turn the corner and carry very well at this house.  

My Venus is currently @ 2000 grit with no polish and it clears the heads great but just explodes on the backend, it has become very uncontrolable for me.  it seemed to be more controlable when I had it polished.

As far as the Cell Pearl goes, it is a great ball when it is sanded @ 4000 but it starts to check up early in the middle of the second game so I polished it and it really didn't add any length for me, it just made it to skid snappy.

From what I have read about the GT-1 and the TX-1 is that they are both much smoother off the spot and that is what I am hoping for.  So if I drilled it with the pin over the middle finger, cg kicked slightly right/no weight hole, would that give me enough length but still remain controlled on the backend?
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[JustinWi]

quote:From what I have read about the GT-1 and the TX-1 is that they are both much smoother off the spot and that is what I am hoping for.  So if I drilled it with the pin over the middle finger, cg kicked slightly right/no weight hole, would that give me enough length but still remain controlled on the backend

The GT1 has been my go to ball out of the bag, then switch to the shiny SX1 when the fronts go away.  I'm drilling a TX1 Tuesday when it arrives and can give more feedback then.

With a 5 5/8 axis, pin over the middle on a GT1 might be a bit extreme.  I'd feel better about over the bridge personally.

[charlest]

quote:FYI, the Venus jumps because it's a Particle Pearl.
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I've not only had two Venuses, but since his at 2000 Abralon matte, I just can't see it snapping, even if it is a particle pearl. Something else has to have changed.

Justin, did you also redrill it?
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[JustinWi]

quote:Justin, did you also redrill it?

Nope, drilled a second one.

[skbowl800]

DRREV- I know the Venus is a Particle Pearl but it is not supposed to out hook my Cell Pearl.  The Venus is supposed to be a smoother pearl.  I also thoought it was weird that it is uncontrollable at 2000 grit but when polished it is much more controlable.
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