Author Topic: Radical Bowling - Phil Cardinales New Company (Read 34136 times)

mijakame · « **on:** February 09, 2011, 11:38:50 AM »

Blurb from BJI:

• Phil Cardinale has founded Radical Bowling LLC, a new bowling ball company specializing in the creation and distribution of high-performance bowling balls. Cardinale, who spent the last three years in charge of sales and marketing for 900 Global, left that company at the end of 2010 to start Radical Bowling. “After decades of accumulating knowledge on the development and manufacturing of bowling balls, I felt it was time to use that experience out on my own,” Cardinale said. “I wish to create the best bowling balls for bowlers of any skill level, particularly mid- to high-average bowlers looking to improve their score and level of play.” Info: www.radicalbowling.com

This link does not appear to be working yet.

Anyone have any other information?

Throwing rocks at sticks...Does it get any better than this?

billdozer · « **Reply #76 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:39:20 PM »

Can anyone post the pics on here in this thread? His site doesnt work on my andriod phone...

my arsenal..

http://s890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/_billdozer/My%20Arsenal/

qstick777 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 05, 2011, 06:13:43 PM »

billdozer wrote on 3/5/2011 4:39 PM:Can anyone post the pics on here in this thread? His site doesnt work on my andriod phone...

my arsenal..

http://s890.photobucket.com/albums/ac110/_billdozer/My%20Arsenal/

mijakame · « **Reply #78 on:** March 06, 2011, 11:54:56 AM »

New Guy,

I remember online disussions from Dynothane days (just getting my Thing Returns and Threshold redrilled) where you said asymmetric cores were not as valuable as were being hyped at the time. Since then, although a lot of symmetrics are still being made, asymmetric cores (and all the asymmetric but symmetrically balanced etc. cores) completely dominate the high end ball market.

Do you remember those discussions and has your thinking on core design evolved since then?

(FWIW, I prefer the consistency and smooth role of symmetric cores, but like everyone else I have a lot of asymmetric equipment now. I think the coverstock is really where the action is anyway.)

Throwing rocks at sticks...Does it get any better than this?

newguy · « **Reply #79 on:** March 06, 2011, 05:28:37 PM »

I do recall that conversation and as you I prefer the sym roll over the aym. There have been several changes since than that have made them a necessary "evil" the most significant is the oiling patterns and volume of oil used today. Secondly is understanding the impact of mid diff. If you recall several where hyping that higher mid diff and spin times were key not much is being made of that now (why is that?). In several studies I have been involved in several studies and found that once you get above .020 mid diff that performance is not increased. Although SLANT has .025 the mid diff is simply a by product of core shape and density , using the desired shape and desnsity the additional .005 was a result, it does not add significant performance. We also learned that we can alter the shape on the lane with weight hole positioning and size and depth of the hole.

Cover stocks have come a long way since than, we have used weaker covers to allow the aym cores to match better on most patterns. Basically we have found that there is more than one way to skin a cat. atlering surfaces (4000) grit etc, reduction of additives and so on have made asym fit many different styles.

Evolution of the game I guess.

Look for ur next launch to be Sym.

mijakame wrote on 3/6/2011 12:54 PM:
New Guy,

I remember online disussions from Dynothane days (just getting my Thing Returns and Threshold redrilled) where you said asymmetric cores were not as valuable as were being hyped at the time. Since then, although a lot of symmetrics are still being made, asymmetric cores (and all the asymmetric but symmetrically balanced etc. cores) completely dominate the high end ball market.

Do you remember those discussions and has your thinking on core design evolved since then?

(FWIW, I prefer the consistency and smooth role of symmetric cores, but like everyone else I have a lot of asymmetric equipment now. I think the coverstock is really where the action is anyway.)

Throwing rocks at sticks...Does it get any better than this?

Armyproud · « **Reply #80 on:** March 06, 2011, 07:16:57 PM »

An update on Radical Bowling's website at www.radicalbowling.com is now up and as the company gets up and running I think that Phil will update the website on a continues basis. He currently has two balls the Philosophy and the Slant. Phil I wish you the best of luck.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #81 on:** March 06, 2011, 07:23:54 PM »

Don't see anything about the philosophy being a ball???

Armyproud · « **Reply #82 on:** March 06, 2011, 07:26:05 PM »

Phil,

I know that the company is new, but do you have an idea of when you might have any regional staff on the tour or are you going to at all? And if you are when would anyone be able to bowl with the balls at a regional level. I know that has alot to do with paying the outlandish fee that the pba charges to even be grassrooted.

Thanks,

Del P

Armyproud · « **Reply #83 on:** March 06, 2011, 07:28:07 PM »

Sorry read the website wron I thought that it was a new ball becuase of the ball on the side it was just as it says. PHILosophy

My mistake

tdub36tjt wrote on 3/6/2011 8:23 PM:Don't see anything about the philosophy being a ball???

newguy · « **Reply #84 on:** March 23, 2011, 10:48:13 AM »

SLANT is out and some early feedback is that this ball is perfect on most house conditions in box finish. Also heard about a 720 on a sport shot just this week.

Guys throwing it out of the box on house shot said it didn't over hook the dry or over skid the wet, and the carry was way above average.

On guy said he hit wit with 1000 abralon and it handled the oil very well.

The early feedback supports what my target performance was.

RealBowler · « **Reply #85 on:** March 23, 2011, 03:28:07 PM »

Looks like a nice piece. Would like to see a video before making a purchase.

Haywood

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that we shall pay any price, bear any burden,
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Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #86 on:** March 23, 2011, 09:04:37 PM »

Just received my Slant. Looking forward to throwing it. I had it drilled with a 4 1/8" from my axis. From my understanding it is a very strong drilling but suppose to have continuation. I believe Phil had mentioned this in a different thread. Will be picking it up tomorrow. I will try and post a pic tomorrow night. This ball started out with a pin about 4" inches out. This placed the pin about an inch or so above my ring finger and to the right. MB is 1 1/2" inside my VAL.

Here's the picture. I still have to place a balance hole to bring it back to static legal. I'm open to any suggestions.

http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k531/pba002683/14lb%20bowling%20balls/IMAG0026.jpg

Edited by Track_Fanatic on 3/23/2011 at 9:10 PM

Edited by Track_Fanatic on 3/23/2011 at 9:12 PM

Edited by Track_Fanatic on 3/25/2011 at 4:48 PM

qstick777 · « **Reply #87 on:** July 22, 2011, 03:17:11 PM »

Yeah.....all of what he said!

Oh, and this from the wayback machine:

Posted on 8/20/2007 at 9:18 AM

Thank for the response "onlybowling"
Several things have happened since the advent of asym. balls. The epiphany came when we study the influence of the spin spot (called Mb by marketers). We found that a mid diff of 0 (sym.) and a mid diff of .010-.015 performed differently but mid diffs greater than .015 had no added influence. What we did notice was that the shape of the core not the values of the mid diff influenced the motion. So in essence its the chicken or the egg theory. Is it the numbers or is the shape the answer and the numbers simply a by-product. We, (I) have always been a proponent of geometry as all of you know. The geometric shape of the core has the greatest influence on ball performance (next to friction ) that is. So I have started to design cores based on shape not numbers. What ever numbers we get from the shape are the numbers we will use, unless of course they are out of USBC spec.
Ironically we can duplicate all the numbers of one shape in another ball by changing densities or flip blocks, but found that they do not roll the same, so shape is the culprit here not the rg's diff's and strength of mid diff.

This is simply my findings and now applications.

newguy wrote on 3/6/2011 6:28 PM:I do recall that conversation and as you I prefer the sym roll over the aym. There have been several changes since than that have made them a necessary "evil" the most significant is the oiling patterns and volume of oil used today. Secondly is understanding the impact of mid diff. If you recall several where hyping that higher mid diff and spin times were key not much is being made of that now (why is that?). In several studies I have been involved in several studies and found that once you get above .020 mid diff that performance is not increased. Although SLANT has .025 the mid diff is simply a by product of core shape and density , using the desired shape and desnsity the additional .005 was a result, it does not add significant performance. We also learned that we can alter the shape on the lane with weight hole positioning and size and depth of the hole.

Cover stocks have come a long way since than, we have used weaker covers to allow the aym cores to match better on most patterns. Basically we have found that there is more than one way to skin a cat. atlering surfaces (4000) grit etc, reduction of additives and so on have made asym fit many different styles.

Evolution of the game I guess.

Look for ur next launch to be Sym.

mijakame wrote on 3/6/2011 12:54 PM:
New Guy,

I remember online disussions from Dynothane days (just getting my Thing Returns and Threshold redrilled) where you said asymmetric cores were not as valuable as were being hyped at the time. Since then, although a lot of symmetrics are still being made, asymmetric cores (and all the asymmetric but symmetrically balanced etc. cores) completely dominate the high end ball market.

Do you remember those discussions and has your thinking on core design evolved since then?

(FWIW, I prefer the consistency and smooth role of symmetric cores, but like everyone else I have a lot of asymmetric equipment now. I think the coverstock is really where the action is anyway.)

Throwing rocks at sticks...Does it get any better than this?

joeflinn · « **Reply #88 on:** February 26, 2015, 06:51:26 PM »

Best ball company on earth.....279, 289, 290, 300. All with Radical. Never came close before using them.

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