Author Topic: ~The Break VS The Black Widow VIDEO COMPARISON!~ (Read 10696 times)

Bar5003 · « **on:** September 30, 2007, 02:32:16 PM »

Here ya go folks,

I have had a TON of requests to compare the Black Widow and The Break from 900 Global in video form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8o6iwWtWpc

My thoughts:

I can only imagine the controversy this is going to cause

In the end NO ONE can take away the success of the Black Widow...It is one of the best balls ever made in my eyes. But after using THE BREAK for a few weeks now, i have noticed that it has a bit more continuation and can handle a little more oil than Widow can. Does that make it better than the widow? I dont know thats for you to decide...they both have their place in my eyes...let the debate begin!

Needless to say for 900 Global to get a reaction close to if not stronger than one of the most recently successful bowling balls for their first release, i say BRAVO to them...Great Job Guys!

Disclamer: These are my resuts with these two balls...you may have different results...and i have never claimed to be the most accurate bowler in the world, but i feel i gave both balls a fair look in the video....Thanks for watching!
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Bar5003 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:02:21 AM »

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nice video, the results are exactly as they should have been, Black Widow is higher RG, and contrary to the beliefs of some, the mass bias is substantially less in the Black Widow, so the Widow should hook less. Would it be possible to get a comparison video for the Infinite One and the Break? Those two have eerily similar numbers and weightblocks, that way we could compare coverstocks.

I think some of you are missing the point, the comparison is nice, but it is not a fair test, the Black Widow has a smaller engine, wouldn't it be great to compare different companies equipment that have similar cores, then we could truly see the differences in covers. That would definately save me some money.

Agreed...your first post was right on...im still waiting for my infinite one

lol

The reason for the comparison all stems back to this post...

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=168756&ForumID=1&CategoryID=2

Anyone remember that?
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newguy · « **Reply #17 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:35:21 AM »

Similar cores how #'s or shape? Numbers alone are very misleading especially if you think the mid diff's above .015 really impact performance, without the geometry. So if you use numbers and shape you have the same ball, save cover stocks.
I think a fair comparison is price points than you can see what you are getting for your hard earned cash.

shelley · « **Reply #18 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:48:39 AM »

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100 games is alot for me...i get so many new balls i throw most balls 10-20 games @ the most...sorry i should have clarified that one shelley

But it isn't for me or most people. 100 games is basically one league season, not counting practice outside of leagues. If I have to retire a ball after 100 games, then I've basically spent $2/game above what the house charges me. If I can't get 300+ games out of a ball, it simply isn't worth buying. I can't buy a lot of balls, and no ball, to me, can be called one of the best without that longevity.

I buy one or two balls a year, I bowl in two winter leagues plus summer leagues. I bowl a few tournaments and practice from time to time. In a year, I'll throw 200-300 games on each ball. I'd get my butt kicked for replacing a ball with only 100 games on it.

SH

newguy · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:51:26 AM »

Remember the soaker covers...longevity at its best.

Bar5003 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 02, 2007, 11:00:30 AM »

I never said the balls were dead at 100 games either...sure they lost a little reaction but nothing major...i never resurfaced them or rejuvinated them either...its not worth it FOR ME to do it when i just get another one, or other balls to replace it...

simply put I retired them so i could throw all the other equipment i get not because they died @ 100 games

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100 games is alot for me...i get so many new balls i throw most balls 10-20 games @ the most...sorry i should have clarified that one shelley

But it isn't for me or most people. 100 games is basically one league season, not counting practice outside of leagues. If I have to retire a ball after 100 games, then I've basically spent $2/game above what the house charges me. If I can't get 300+ games out of a ball, it simply isn't worth buying. I can't buy a lot of balls, and no ball, to me, can be called one of the best without that longevity.

I buy one or two balls a year, I bowl in two winter leagues plus summer leagues. I bowl a few tournaments and practice from time to time. In a year, I'll throw 200-300 games on each ball. I'd get my butt kicked for replacing a ball with only 100 games on it.

SH

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302efi · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2007, 09:46:26 AM »

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i could understand your point if he sold balls, but he doesn't. People asked for it and he brought it. its not like he is on someone payroll, if hammer gets upset so be it, nobody has ever said that the BW was a bad ball. Lets face it, that ball is over a year old now, they sold a gazillion of them, do think hammer really cares now?? people will still continue to buy their products, just now some may choose the break over that particular ball at this point. hammer was first now global has made a comparable if not better release. its just business, he is not endorsing just doing a taste test. i don't think hammer should be too concerned over such a small company, if they are i guess global is doing a good job.

You don't think hammer would have a problem with this showing how there ball didn't fair better in the video ?? It doesn't matter how many they sold in the past, the BW is still is still in production. Like someone else said, Hammer could say that test wasn't fair because the balls were too different.

Small company or not, consider this: Most bowlers are wanting the biggest hooking ball, correct ?...Watch the video and tell me which ball you would pick based on that..The Break.

You think Hammer would support that ?

I would find it hard for any company to support (meaning: free balls and gear) videos making there gear look bad.

Britton as a unbiased ball tester, I'm not sure how you can say this:

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the better ball will show through....

Better ball ? What exactly is "the better ball" ?

So based on that, your saying The Break is "the better ball" based this video ?

I'll go tell all my buddies to go order a Break off the net...lol

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302efi · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2007, 10:02:20 AM »

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302 why are you get so mad about this? If I remember right Ebonite did this exact same thing on there web site a few months back comparing The One Series to just about every ball out at the time. Does anyone remember that?

Not mad Ironhorse, just an impressionable consumer

I think I remember the Ebonite test. Were the balls donated to Ebonite ?

lol

To be honest I'm pretty sure that Britton didn't mean to make either ball look bad.....

....but after watching the video, ask yourself, does it make either ball look bad or make one look better ?

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Bar5003 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2007, 10:17:40 AM »

plain and simple...there was a discussion about comparing the two balls...

i made a video comparing the two balls

take it as you will...im no expert and i never claimed to be an expert

i made the video as fair as possible (how many times have you seen comparison videos and they have completly different layouts and surfaces)

The break hooked more...is that always a good thing? NO Maybe it can be interpreted as the Black widow is more controllable...everyone will interpret this video different...i just supplied the visual for it

and i said the better ball will show through because it is an interpretation...someone may look at that video and say i dont like how the break turns the corner that hard i think the WIDOW is the better ball...

Make sense?
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Bar5003 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2007, 10:21:09 AM »

and btw...the widow featured in the video is one i purchased...i retired the one's i used in the other videos...i have used that layout on all my widows and just adjusted the pin to midline distance...

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qstick777 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2007, 10:27:48 AM »

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plain and simple...there was a discussion about comparing the two balls...

i made a video comparing the two balls

take it as you will...im no expert and i never claimed to be an expert

i made the video as fair as possible (how many times have you seen comparison videos and they have completly different layouts and surfaces)

The break hooked more...is that always a good thing? NO Maybe it can be interpreted as the Black widow is more controllable...everyone will interpret this video different...i just supplied the visual for it

and i said the better ball will show through because it is an interpretation...someone may look at that video and say i dont like how the break turns the corner that hard i think the WIDOW is the better ball...

Make sense?
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I think they're just mad because you didn't show the BW striking.

You only showed the line that made The Break strike and the BW not strike. To appease everybody, you'll have to go back and throw a different line which causes the BW to strike and The Break to either come in light or too high.

Of course, it may turn out that using "that line" may also cause The Break to strike.

I think they are probably looking for something more like what you did with the AMF comparison videos - The Break strikes playing X at the arrows and Y at the breakpoint. In order for the BW to strike I had to move Z boards at the arrows and W boards at the break.

^^^ Hope that makes sense.
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Bar5003 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 03, 2007, 10:42:26 AM »

on the third line i played, the widow strikes while the break cuts loose and leaves a 4 pin...

but that does make sense qstick...i have gotten away from doing that (saying where i stand, what i hit)...part of the reason why is my ability to do the overlay shots now with my new software...so you can actually see that the balls are right on top of each other in the front part of the lane and seperate downlane
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302efi · « **Reply #27 on:** October 03, 2007, 11:36:06 AM »

Britton you can get angry all you want, but you opened yourself up to public opinion making a video like this.

Actually you for saw this coming in your original post:

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I can only imagine the controversy this is going to cause...

You say people might see the Black Widow as controllable ? Yeah thats Hammer markets the ball. The BW is most controllable ball in their line-up. See they even said so in the ball description:

"...the Black Widow goes long and attacks violently on the backend."
http://hammerbowling.com/products/balls/detail.php?PRKey=51

So I'm not allowed to question anything about the video ?

Ok man you win. The Break is the bestest ball I ever seen, its way better then the Black Widow.
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Bar5003 · « **Reply #28 on:** October 03, 2007, 12:07:37 PM »

I'm not mad at all 302, just defending my views...

I made a video, take it as you will...i know what was going through my head when i made it, and it was not to make either ball look better...

ask Eric Thomas from global, he was one of the MANY to request the video...i told him i was going to do this fair and square and let the true reactions of the balls show through...even if it made THE BREAK look like a turd...

the only thing that slightly angers me is people puting words in my mouth and telling me what my intentions were with this video or any video i do for that matter...
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Edited on 10/3/2007 12:07 PM

Dead Flush · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2007, 12:20:57 PM »

I'm po'd at Britton because I thought I had a great source of quailty used 16lb equipment until he man -downed and went to 15's...

Bar5003 · « **Reply #30 on:** October 03, 2007, 12:29:13 PM »

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I'm po'd at Britton because I thought I had a great source of quailty used 16lb equipment until he man -downed and went to 15's...

Lol...sorry, what can i say, i'm a whimp

i still have quite a few quality 16# balls for sale...come to PA Vince and you can haul them away free

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