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DON DRAPER

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42 time pba champion
« on: September 25, 2006, 04:00:04 PM »
not much was really made about walter ray williams, jr., passing earl anthony's record of 41 pba titles with his win in the 2006 dydo japan cup. so i guess it's up to me. we will be seeing the greatest bowler of all time from now on every time he makes a telecast. i think it's a shame that the non-bowling media haven't grabbed hold of this news item and run with it---after all the old record lasted 23 years. this is big news.

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shelley

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2006, 12:25:42 AM »
That's because he hasn't really broken any records.  <rolls eyes> Don't you know Earl has 78 Masters titles that didn't count?  WRW has at least 185 more titles to go before he catches Earl.  And Earl did it all in 24 tournaments.  That's right, he was winning multiple titles at each tournament!  Each bowler he beat would go home, find a trophy that they had for some local or regional tournament they'd won, and give one to Earl, just for getting beaten.

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2006, 12:26:11 AM »
Have you met WRW before in person???? If you have maybe you would think he is the greatest bowler in the world but not such a nice guy. He thinks he is worth 100k to be on staff the problem is no one thinks he is nice enough for the job lol

I met him in 2002 with my wife he is by far the rudest PBA Pro we talked with, PBIII and Voss were by far the coolest. I talked with ball company head honcho who told me WRW is the biggest jerk he knows on the PBA tour, i guess he does not think he is worth a 100k either.

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2006, 01:38:04 AM »
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That's because he hasn't really broken any records.  <rolls eyes> Don't you know Earl has 78 Masters titles that didn't count?  WRW has at least 185 more titles to go before he catches Earl.  And Earl did it all in 24 tournaments.  That's right, he was winning multiple titles at each tournament!  Each bowler he beat would go home, find a trophy that they had for some local or regional tournament they'd won, and give one to Earl, just for getting beaten.

SH


LOL!!!!!!!! Sounds like a few folks on here when Walter hit 41!!!!

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 06:04:34 AM »
another pba title....that wasn't pba...oh well...now it is....

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 06:26:46 AM »
I will pretty much agree with everyone in this thread.  For 1, WRW IS a bit of an a-hole, VERY cocky, pretty rude, & all in all not a people person.

The problem with comparing WRW to Earl is like comparing Jordan to Chamberlain.  Its 2 totally different eras of the game.  While Earl IS the winningest bowler in history, & will probably remain that way, he didnt exactly have the type of competition we have these days.  Then again, he also didnt have the same advantages in equipment, so its possible that it evens the playing feild, but we will never know that.

All in all, can we just say that WRW is amazing, & so is/was earl?

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 06:32:53 AM »
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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 09:04:53 AM »
this topic isn't about the man's attitude and whether he's well liked. i suspect there are many people in this world that aren't well liked.

for those of you that think the japan cup isn't a real pba title you couldn't be more wrong. this is a very prestigious tournament that has been run since 1982 and has always been counted as a pba title. there are several players who have won it more than once.

as far as those of you who insist walter ray williams, jr., still hasn't won as many titles as earl anthony, well you are incorrect. the fact that earl anthonys two abc masters wins don't count as pba titles are in line with pba rules that were in effect at the time. we must abide by rules and decisions that are made every day. mike aulby has won 3 abc masters titles with only one  counting as a pba title. do we change his too ? norm duke has a abc masters title----do we change his status as well ? walter ray has been effected by this same type of ruling. several times the dream bowl in japan has counted as a pba title. hugh miller won this in the early 2000's when it counted as a pba title. walter ray won it a year or so later and it didn't count as a title.

all sports have had rule changes. there will always be comparisons between players of different eras. the fact remains that the man with the most, whether it be the most home runs, the most hits, the most points scored, etc., will be considered the best. in the world of bowling where the pba is the highest level of competition the man with the most titles is considered the best player. that man has 42 national titles and his name is walter ray williams, jr.

shelley

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2006, 09:15:27 AM »
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Then again, he also didnt have the same advantages in equipment, so its possible that it evens the playing feild, but we will never know that.


I didn't realize that WRW had an advantage over his competitors with equipment.  He must be throwing equipment that none of the rest of them have access to.

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2006, 09:17:27 AM »
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that man has 42 national titles and his name is walter ray williams, jr.


But...but...Earl...41...Masters....Earl...43....so many tournaments....lefty...laneman....Earl....

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2006, 09:27:52 AM »
42 titles does not make WRW the all time greatest.

Considering he still has to get to 44to pass Earl's title record and considering it took him like 2 - 3 times as many tournamnents to get to the number maybe it is a testament to his longevity but certainly not a testament to his greatness.

Considering how long it took and how much promotional $$$$ the PBA has spent hyping this "chase".  I think it speaks to how dominant Earl was not how great WRW is.

In regards to those who have made disparaging remarks.  I have known WRW since the early 80's and he is great.  Just cause you do not like his title count does not mean he is a bad person.  I have broken bread with the guy and he is rather genuine.

NOTE;  I THINK THE "GOODBYE EARL" HEADLINE ON THE PBA WEBSITE WAS IN VERY VERY VERY POOR TASTE....


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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2006, 09:41:28 AM »
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Considering he still has to get to 44to pass Earl's title record and considering it took him like 2 - 3 times as many tournamnents to get to the number maybe it is a testament to his longevity but certainly not a testament to his greatness.


YEEEESSSS!  Finally, someone said it.  Like, seriously, even.  Awesome.  I knew this post would come.

You just can't mention WRW without someone pulling out Earl's Masters titles and the fewer number of tournaments he bowled.  It's like the PBA corrollary to Godwin's Law.

You rock, dude!

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2006, 09:42:38 AM »
Many many champions are not "people" people!

By nature of being the greatest in individual sports makes for very strange people.  Not all are "nice". MANY are not!

One can only respect Walter Ray's great accomplishment...without ever having to talk to him!

I respect his talents immensely and his quirkiness makes him a fascinating study!
Earl I also think was incredible...nicest guy in the world...I've never heard anyone say that!  I don't believe that is the defining quality of champions...merely a coincidence if they are nice guys...sort of like the rest of us...but even less likely!

Most of my local stars have sort of an edge to them also!

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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2006, 09:49:24 AM »
WRW the greatest bowler of all time?  Mr. Hoppe, you need therapy.  Seriously.
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Re: 42 time pba champion
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2006, 09:57:46 AM »
i'd like to state publicly that i have the utmost respect for the late earl anthony and his accomplishments. i was sadddened the day i found out he passed away----just like when i heard dick weber passed away.

the people that look at this topic and instantly say it took walter ray more time and tournaments before he got #42----you're right, it did. but, the record books in sports don't really care about this type of fact. everyone knows pete rose finished his career with more hits than ty cobb. the record books also show hank aaron hit more home runs than babe ruth. but what the record books don't tell you is that rose and aaron needed more at bats to accomplish these feats---does this fact diminish their records ? i think not.