win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour  (Read 5724 times)

DP3

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6093
A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« on: April 11, 2005, 05:42:39 AM »
Alot of you all got so caught up in the tenth frame and Randy's frying out over the fan that distracted him that I think everyone missed probaly one of the greatest moments I've seen on the show in awhile.

Before the match Randy clearly stated that he did not have a reaction at all and that he was clearly lost against Duke.  He even mentioned that Duke struck on all of his shots and he was visibly shooken going into the match.  Even with all of that pressure of a possible exemption and the 100K, Randy stood up and after a bad shot in the first, he stood up and delivered great shot after shot(not counting the 3-10).  I was so amazed at how quick he saw the transition on a 51ft pattern, and got dialed in to give Duke a run for his money.  That is such a true testament to Professional Bowling and is such a good example of how much better they are than us.  That's probaly one of the best matches I've seen on TV since Duke vs. Devaney(the match after Duke shot 300 on Walter Ray in 2003).  

Would anyone else care to comment on this?
--------------------
-DP3
...

 

bluedothooks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 36
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2005, 01:54:49 PM »
Yes, his pre-match spiel was nothing more than a tactic to try to falsly lull Norm Duke into thinking he was going to easily win. Funny how "clueless" he was and ended up shooting 256. When I'm clueless on the lanes, I might start out slow and shoot a low duece. I thought his tirade after losing was immature. You mean to tell me that one cough during the fourth step of his approach would screw him up so bad that he'd throw an errant shot? Sure, that shot was deciding his fate for future PBA events, but c'mon. Even during the Masters, when guys are up on the tee, things like birds, sirens, etc would go off and that doesn't phase Woods, DiMarco, etc. Pederson is a sore loser.

My question is, if he would have carried that shot, would he have made such a stink? Doubt it.

As for showing how good guys on the PBA tour are, look at what Duke did in the finals. He goes from strike to spare to 7-10, then puts enough pressure on Jaros that if Duke would have sheeted, Jaros would had to strike to win. That's great recovery, especially on as difficult of a shot as what they were bowling on.

livespive

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4819
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2005, 01:57:32 PM »
I would agree.
I just watched it today on the replay.

I'm watching and thinking to myself "I thought you didn't have a shot"
Like they said on TV Emotions are running high for Randy.
He gets another shot at exemption and it gets blown on a fan.


--------------------
Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
 Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com

230-n-up-or-bust

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5381
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2005, 02:09:09 PM »
The shot in the 12th frame wasn't all that terrible, he simply failed to carry a corner pin.  I think Randy was simply being Randy, so to speak.  He tends to make mountains out of molehills, anyways.  It's nice to have a little peace and quiet for an important shot.  However, like somone stated previously, if whe would have carried he shot, would Randy have thanked the person responsible for the interruption?  Probably not.
--------------------
Pain is weakness leaving the body.



Edited on 4/11/2005 2:03 PM

dpunky

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1036
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2005, 02:13:15 PM »
I have to say even with Randy's tirade, this was one of the best dramatic matches that I've seen this year.  Randy had to throw his last ball to determine if he was going to have to go to a sudden death roll off or a loss.  The latter happened.  If I lost by one pin, and the pin meant for me to have a CHANCE to be exempt, I would have been emotional....but not in a negative way towards the fans.  If I was Randy, I would probably be in tears out of frustration not making it to the final round for a chance for two year exemption into the tour.  But if I was Randy, I would have done a better job getting the favor of the fans so that I can get them to cheer me on instead of distracting me.  Sure, the fans need to be more courteous to bowlers while they are bowling.  But Randy is a professional, and he needs to demonstrate a better behavior than trying to engage in a senseless tirade against a person in the crowd.

In conclusion, both the fan who coughed and Randy were wrong in their actions.  But at the end of the day, the egg is on Randy's face, not the fan.

No Fear

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 116
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2005, 02:24:23 PM »
I agree completely that Randy showed his true grit....After He stated He was lost on TV & then proved it on His first shot....there was a camera closeup of Randy while Duke was up in the first....Randy had His hand under His chin with What do I do different look?....Well He figured it out!!!!....After He struck in the second & third frame....It was game on!!!!!.....Great Job Randy....You are the REAL DEAL

joeschmoe

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 320
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2005, 02:45:06 PM »
Even IF and that's a BIG IF,Randy could have pulled the game out against Duke,having to beat Jaros wasn't going to be easy in the final.We saw what happened at last years T of C,where Randy shoots 280 the first game and shoots 188 in the final against Healey.So there was no guarantee he would have gotten the exemption. His loss of composure missing the 3-10 cost him at least 10 grand though....
--------------------
"It's not the ball,it's the ball-er"
Girls make passes at guys with big glasses. Guys make passes at girls with big.......

MelvinBrunsTrack

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 928
  • Don't blame the lanes, blame the bowler! Adjust!
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2005, 03:00:36 PM »
I was watching the telecast yesterday . I think that the Pa should change one thing . The one time Randy got up on the approach and he was distracted by a fan in a yellow shirt . I think they should have all fans behind the bowlers.
You can't stop the yelling with some knuckle heads in the stand . But this is one thing they should change .

MelvinBrunsTrack

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 928
  • Don't blame the lanes, blame the bowler! Adjust!
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2005, 03:01:58 PM »
Sorry for the typo - PBA I meant.

Phillip Marlowe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2554
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2005, 04:07:08 PM »
If he truly had been lost, he would have lost the match in a blowout, rather than being right in it.  His opening remarks were a psych job and I would have taken them so were I in Norm Duke's place.

Further, Pederson showed what type of a person he is in the way he reacted to the fan.  If a nuclear bomb went off in Earl's neighborhood, I don't think he would have been distracted.  Frankly, if one can be that easily distracted under very controlled conditions (no one was going to step up on him), such a temper tantrum is unseemly.  A champion would have lost the carry, shook his head and gave first credit to the guy who just bowled sensationally to beat him.   When interviewed after, he could have noted that someone moved, yelled, etc, but that is no excuse, he didn't make the best shot and stuff like that happens and Duke must be congratulated, a truly great bowler.

Instead, in my opinion, and the opinions of my wife, son and family, Pederson came off looking like a whiney, pampered child, who should not be in the same group with class acts like Duke, Goebel and Jaros.  And he shouldn't be back commenting next year on ESPN.
--------------------
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."

Edited on 4/11/2005 4:03 PM

Edited on 4/11/2005 4:31 PM
"Some men get the world.  Others get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona."

DP3

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6093
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2005, 05:00:45 PM »
Wow.....

I honestly can't believe some of the things you people are saying.  It didn't take a genius to figure out from the pre-match interview that Randy was nervous as hell and looking like a deer in headlights.  In the first frame, his shot solidified it.  The second frame after he watched Duke, he made the adjustment getting a little more inside and softening up his hand at the bottom to get back in the mix of things and just executed shot after shot.  

Are some of you just looking at the end result?(like "Oh, he struck on that shot") Or are you actually looking at everything that went into the ball having the CHANCE to strike?(like where they are playing on the lanes, the hand/rotation adjustments, etc...)

I'm just baffled that you guys would say that "OH he wasn't really lost, he shot 256....how do you get lost and shoot 250"?

He's a Professional for crying out loud!  It's his job to read lane transitions, make them, and execute a shot way faster than the average bowler.
--------------------
-DP3
...

Phillip Marlowe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2554
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2005, 05:08:22 PM »
quote:
Wow.....

I honestly can't believe some of the things you people are saying.  It didn't take a genius to figure out from the pre-match interview that Randy was nervous as hell and looking like a deer in headlights.  In the first frame, his shot solidified it.  The second frame after he watched Duke, he made the adjustment getting a little more inside and softening up his hand at the bottom to get back in the mix of things and just executed shot after shot.  

Are some of you just looking at the end result?(like "Oh, he struck on that shot") Or are you actually looking at everything that went into the ball having the CHANCE to strike?(like where they are playing on the lanes, the hand/rotation adjustments, etc...)

I'm just baffled that you guys would say that "OH he wasn't really lost, he shot 256....how do you get lost and shoot 250"?

He's a Professional for crying out loud!  It's his job to read lane transitions, make them, and execute a shot way faster than the average bowler.
--------------------
-DP3
...



DP, I thought, AT THE TIME, it was a psych job.  Why?  Because NO pro who was really lost would ever say that right before his opponent and the world.  Might mention not a good reaction, but we'll see, but what he did was gamesmanship.  His behavior after the last shot and his comments on the 8 pin last year just solidified my impression.
--------------------
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like them myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings."
"Some men get the world.  Others get ex-hookers and a trip to Arizona."

VBP-Dustin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1444
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2005, 05:16:43 PM »
it is easy for you guys to sit back and say what randy did was uncalled for   you guy have no idea what it is like to strike for your source of income and job.  did you see how well jaros bowled this week no pressure of worring about a job.   these guys are extremely focused and intense on the lanes and im sure you would be too if you needed a strike for a guarenteed job.  he paused many times during the game trying to get that person to be still.  granted he would of had to beat steve jaros in the finals it at least gives him another chance of having a job.     what about voss last week hes got a job for next year and he still acted like a baby and had no distractions  as far as im concerned   randy is a better person on and off the lanes as most of the guys on tour
--------------------
brunswick  absolute inferno   209.95
brunswick white viz a ball    109.95
brunswick staff shirt         35.95
brunswick towel               10.95
being apart of the NATION     PRICELESS

stanski

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2709
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2005, 05:21:39 PM »
quote:
it is easy for you guys to sit back and say what randy did was uncalled for   you guy have no idea what it is like to strike for your source of income and job.  did you see how well jaros bowled this week no pressure of worring about a job.   these guys are extremely focused and intense on the lanes and im sure you would be too if you needed a strike for a guarenteed job.  he paused many times during the game trying to get that person to be still.  granted he would of had to beat steve jaros in the finals it at least gives him another chance of having a job.     what about voss last week hes got a job for next year and he still acted like a baby and had no distractions  as far as im concerned   randy is a better person on and off the lanes as most of the guys on tour
--------------------
brunswick  absolute inferno   209.95
brunswick white viz a ball    109.95
brunswick staff shirt         35.95
brunswick towel               10.95
being apart of the NATION     PRICELESS


Source of income? So what does he get for doing all that, what do you call it, tv announcing?
--------------------
stanski

VBP-Dustin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1444
Re: A newfound respect for Randy Pederson....and the PBA Tour
« Reply #14 on: April 11, 2005, 05:26:13 PM »
i know he gets paid for announcing on tv but do you really think he makes enough to support and family?   im sure he would make much much more bowling on tour full time   he bowls a lot of the ptq's and those are even tough to get through i would say he would make more and i bet he would agree hes proven to be a great bowler and just becuase he had a bad year when the tour changes the format doesnt mean he isnt good enough.  do you really think dj archer or jason queen   some examples are better overall bowlers than him?  think about that.
--------------------
brunswick  absolute inferno   209.95
brunswick white viz a ball    109.95
brunswick staff shirt         35.95
brunswick towel               10.95
being apart of the NATION     PRICELESS