I think we're forgetting about two USBC tournaments the Masters and the US Open. Both of these are "sponsored" by the USBC. How many times in recent years have non-PBA members won either tournament?

If the PBA didn't exist, and the USBC ran "tour-like" tournaments, I doubt anyone would mind USBC dues supporting those events.

I've said before, the PBA should be left to stand or fail without USBC interference or support. I think in my lifetime, we'll see both organizations dissolve.

It could be $.50 for all I care. They don''t deserve it. Whose to say the PBA doesn''t have money and is just mismanaging it? They will do the same thing even with more money. So feel free to send in all of the money you want, but forcing others to do so is a horrible idea.

Maybe the PBA could charge more to players and people attending the events like real sports do? I don''t care if the PBA falls off the face of the earth. I''m not asking anyone to save it. They have made it unwatchable on TV, and they are in the position they are for good reason. Not USBC fault or place to bail them out.

Start a yearly PBA/PBS marathon and see how that works out. The PBA is a business owned by business men from different successful companies and you morons want to bail them out. That is priceless

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I don't hate the PBA. I think if you have watched it the past few years and seen the desperate attempts at making it popular by changing you would better understand why it is in the condition it is in.


Lets add gold pins and cheer while they throw the ball again. It would go great with the huge scoreboard backdrop that makes every event look like it is held at the same place.

The reason golf has come so far is because of Tiger woods and youth. Nike and other sponsors were soon to follow and the sport grew. They didn't come up with new gimmicks weekly. The got younger and everyone benefited.

The PBA hasn't asked for help, so why are you all so eager to give them millions of dollars? It really makes no sense. If a Microsoft CEO and others own the PBA they are more then capable of finding money. They charge companies like Ebo, Brunswick and everyone else nearly $170,000 a year per brand to be sponsored on the tour. That is about $1,200,000 for Ebonite alone. Now what they do with the money is another story.
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Ebonite does not pay close to $1,200,000 to have their products registered.  Your numbers are a tad off base.  The numbers are a tad off, even if you figure out the math and over inflate it.  They pay a base fee for the Ebonite Brand, then fees for the other brands, but none for the bags and accessories as they are part of the brand.  


Its a couple hundred thousand, but its not close to 1 and a half million.

There is only 4 ball brands, and even at $170,000 a brand that is
$680,000. Now separate accessory brands do not pay the same amount as the ball registration.  





"The PBA hasnt asked for help, so why are you all so eager to give them millions of dollars? It really makes no sense. If a Microsoft CEO and others own the PBA they are more then capable of finding money. They charge companies like Ebo, Brunswick and everyone else nearly $170,000 a year per brand to be sponsored on the tour. That is about $1,200,000 for Ebonite alone. Now what they do with the money is another story."




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The parent brand pays the most amount, than there is a price for each umbrella brand under the parent brand.  

I will see if I can contact somebody and get the total figure for sponsorship.

I would like to know how much ball sponsorship is being paid.  Maybe the organization itself would give out that info.  

Either way, there is not enough money to cover the expenses, prize funds and buying television air time.

TV time is NOT CHEAP, even at the rate they must pay ESPN.  I''''m going to guess at least $150,000 to $200,000 just for TV/Production Crew/Air Time a show in total expenses, when they are really touring different cities.



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No chance lotsofstrikes, send your check to the PBA I'm sure they will spend it wisely.

I've yet to complain about the sanction fees for USBC. I will suggest that the USBC is not doing a great job with bowling right now and making bad decisions.

They don't care what we think. So how will us giving them money to go towards the PBA work? They still won't listen, and don't what they choose with the PBA.
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