Post by: shelley on December 03, 2006, 04:04:34 AM
Balls:
WRW: Morich Awesome Revs
TJ: Overtime, looked to be drilled label but couldn't see the MB
Malott: Power Machine
Shafer: Thunder Road Pearl ? Looks very, very angular.
SH
Post by: a_ak57 on December 03, 2006, 12:06:23 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on December 03, 2006, 12:23:31 PM
WRW may have tossed a polished Awesome Hook for his first ball...
Final match -
Malott changed to a Heat in the 10th in his first match and continued using it in the final match.
Jones switched to a Smashtime Pearl.
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Post by: J_Mac on December 03, 2006, 12:36:23 PM
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Post by: smash8-10split on December 03, 2006, 12:37:03 PM
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Post by: Mvpbowler on December 03, 2006, 12:42:01 PM
Overall neither one of them threw it very well in the title match. Then again they are bowling on a wood surface that they don't bowl on much!!! Lane break down with the balls, lights, people in the stands, etc.. is much different then on synthetic
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Post by: Mvpbowler on December 03, 2006, 12:42:22 PM
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Post by: Mvpbowler on December 03, 2006, 12:42:57 PM
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Post by: Danes07 on December 03, 2006, 12:42:59 PM
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Post by: J_Mac on December 03, 2006, 12:48:22 PM
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Shafer had a Special on the rack, but used the T Road Pearl the whole game.
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He may have switched to another T-Road Pearl with the pin above his middle finger later in the game. One was definitely pin under bridge though. As for it looking very, very angular? In Shafer's hand it has no choice with his amount of axis tilt.
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Post by: smash8-10split on December 03, 2006, 12:50:42 PM
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Post by: shelley on December 03, 2006, 12:51:23 PM
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(Wes) cries like a child when he don't win... Sick of seeing it, and happy wes lost.
I haven't seen it on TV, so I can only go by what the commentators said, but it really turned me off of TJ (more) when they mentioned that he doesn't like to lose so much so that he doesn't play if he doesn't think he can win.
SH
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Post by: Kinalyx on December 03, 2006, 12:58:54 PM
As far as TJ throwing a bad shot & getting the max penalty, IMO, ANY time u hit the pocket, u shouldnt leave a split. A 10 pin, 8 pin...ect fine, but not a 7-10, thats just a horrible break.
Shawn
Post by: Mvpbowler on December 03, 2006, 01:03:34 PM
You just summed up alot with your last statement. You know bowling is a game of angles and those angles directly relate to if you strike or not. Now granted due to high performance bowling balls and the amount they hook, the margin of error(the chances of striking) has greatly increased! But there is only the potential for someone to leave a split on any given shot! And that you have to get into your head if your ever going to make it somewhere in bowling! It is called a bad break!
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Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on December 03, 2006, 01:40:01 PM
For those who may have issues with bowlers' perceived attitudes, whether seen in public or television, you have to understand that these guys are professional athletes. They live to win, and win to live. Sure, that's a cliche thing to say, but it's true for a lot of these guys. The two men in the finals are fighting for about a $12,000 spread in their checks, and I'm quite certain that that $12,000 will be beneficial toward keeping their homes and families.
There are bowlers out on the tour that I am both a fan of an not a fan of. However, I wish to see a lot more respect for what the guys are doing week-in and week-out for a living. It's not easy to do what they do, nor is it a glamorous way to make money, either.
Back to the show- I thought Wes had a very good look in his semifinal match, but until he had gone to his fill balls in the 10th frame of his first match, I thought that purple/plum ball that he was throwing looked pretty good and unless Tommy figured something out with his reaction (which I thought was quite weak in the semifinal), Tommy might as well be packing up to go back home for a few days to collect his $12,000. Turns out in the end, I was wrong and saw that the reason why Wes probably lost this title was because of his lane playing strategies toward the end of the first match and probably during the practice shots prior to the finals match, causing him to be quite confused with his look in the final match- ultimately costing the title.
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Post by: Jeff Carter on December 03, 2006, 01:54:23 PM
Sheet of Glass - 100 ( Glass was the barometer )
Brunswick Pro Anvilane - 90
AMF HPL9000 - 78
Wood - 24
Guardian - 4
As you can see guardian is much softer than wood. That is why the lanes changed so much during just a few games on the show. That is also why it was tough to hook it this week. I crossed with Ryan this week. during the morning round his ball was sideways down lane and he struggled. My reaction was more blended and i bowled well. During the evening round our reactions reversed. It looked to me that he had the same type of look today that he had thursday morning
Also, Randy and i are very close friends. We used to spend a lot of time together when he was still out here. I've been trying to get him to say "Looks like Mr Momentum has changed his address" for 2 years now if he found the right situation. Imagine my suprise when he pulled that one out today !!!
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Post by: fins4ever88 on December 03, 2006, 02:03:34 PM
Post by: CoachJim on December 03, 2006, 02:40:42 PM
Good Luck in Baltimore next week Jeff, I hope to see you there if I can get off work (not likely unfortunatly, but I feel a bad cough coming on).
Post by: Strider on December 03, 2006, 03:05:39 PM
Tommy got away with several shots that he threw very wide and didn't catch the release good at the bottom. He's done this on several shows. It's one thing to break up a 2-8-10 combo, but he even finds a way to strike. He's definitely living good. He paid a big price on the 7-10, but if you saw where the ball finished through the deck, it was hardly a surprise.
How about Wes whiffing both pins on his 7-10? Even with the solid 9 pin and his fill ball that didn't react like he expected, making one of those pins on the split would at least have given him the tie.
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Post by: CoachJim on December 03, 2006, 03:14:25 PM
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How about Wes whiffing both pins on his 7-10? Even with the solid 9 pin and his fill ball that didn't react like he expected, making one of those pins on the split would at least have given him the tie.
Yep that really hurt since it was on a four bagger and the count would have given him the win because it would have counted twice from the strike in the previous frame.
Post by: Mr Bass on December 03, 2006, 04:05:20 PM
And I thought that train horn was coming from outside my house, a good mile away...
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Post by: Danes07 on December 03, 2006, 04:22:49 PM
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I personally HATE Wes, cant stand anything about him. The pulling the thumb out b4 his approach, the way he complains about a bad rack on a horrible shot, the way he pouts & whines when he loses. I just dont like anything about him, never have. I bowled with him in a couple tournaments in texas b4 i was old enough to be all that good, & even then he annoyed me.
As far as TJ throwing a bad shot & getting the max penalty, IMO, ANY time u hit the pocket, u shouldnt leave a split. A 10 pin, 8 pin...ect fine, but not a 7-10, thats just a horrible break.
Shawn
You base on of the reasons that you don't like a bowler because he pulls his thumb out of the ball before he throws it? Don't you some quirks or timing devices that you use?
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Post by: tonybowls on December 03, 2006, 04:27:58 PM
Post by: Platinum Bowler on December 03, 2006, 06:17:17 PM
Oh, and it really looked more like a Thunderstruck solid that Shafer was throwing, not a T-Road Pearl.
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Post by: a_ak57 on December 03, 2006, 06:32:28 PM
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Post by: JBracer2 on December 03, 2006, 06:34:06 PM
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Post by: novawagonmaster on December 03, 2006, 06:39:47 PM
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At the beginning of the telecast when they were showing the characteristics of the lanes, I think either Randy or Norm mentioned it did have Guardian on it.
Yes, they did mention that and also clarified that it was an overlay that was 5mm thick. As for laneplay, straighter was definitely the better way to go this week. During the pro-am, I tried inside angles with varied success, but hit the pocket much more consistently playing up the outside boards. It was amazing how different each lane was. On one pair of lanes, you had to either play two different lines, use two different balls, or a combination of the two. When crossing boards, I was playing 8 boards different on our pair! When playing up the boards, I could play the same line on each lane with a slight speed adjustment. It was pretty rough though!
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Post by: DON DRAPER on December 03, 2006, 07:09:07 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 03, 2006, 07:20:08 PM
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i don't know about anyone else but to me the most amazing part of the telecast was that walter ray actually missed a spare----it cost him a win against tommy jones.
Tommy missed one too (same leave) so that evens it out. If Tommy hadn't missed his spare, Walter Ray's shot wouldn't have mattered even if he made his spare.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on December 03, 2006, 07:22:31 PM
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glad to see TJ win. Im beginning to like wes less and less. He cries like a child when he don't win... Sick of seeing it, and happy wes lost.
I like Wes. I also like his style. Smooth. Great guy with a great future ahead of him.
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Post by: justdale on December 03, 2006, 07:24:25 PM
Post by: Platinum Bowler on December 03, 2006, 07:31:06 PM
Anyways, must be something really wrong with my television, and some of my friend's televisions. Because the ball that Shafer was throwing, looked to be as purple as it can get. As in a Thunderstruck solid.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on December 03, 2006, 07:37:26 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on December 03, 2006, 07:48:46 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 04, 2006, 07:06:13 AM
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(Wes) cries like a child when he don't win... Sick of seeing it, and happy wes lost.
I haven't seen it on TV, so I can only go by what the commentators said, but it really turned me off of TJ (more) when they mentioned that he doesn't like to lose so much so that he doesn't play if he doesn't think he can win.
SH
I know! We were laughing at what kind of a loser you would have to be to not play someone in ping-pong because you might lose.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 04, 2006, 07:11:22 AM
Randy: I am going to do the same thing on this lane as I did on the house shot.
Norm: Uh, I don't recommend it...
Randy: I'm just going to do it anyway.
Randy: ... Um, why don't you show us how it is done Norm?
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on December 04, 2006, 07:28:56 AM
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Greg Hoope, there is no flaw in my theory. The whole point is....Walter Ray missed. The bottom line is....It wouldn't have mattered whether Walter Ray made his spare or not had Tommy Jones made his. End of the story.
BUT, TJ missed his (THAT'S RIGHT, RIGHT THERE!) and I would have never thought WRW would have missed that one. Crazy stuff!
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Post by: leftehh- LG on December 04, 2006, 03:02:15 PM
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Post by: shelley on December 04, 2006, 03:26:52 PM
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I know! We were laughing at what kind of a loser you would have to be to not play someone in ping-pong because you might lose.
I've been around people like that. One of my friends is like that, even. Playing any kind of game is excruciating because every move he makes, every aspect of what he does is painstakingly analyzed to ensure it's "optimal". I play for fun, not always to win, and as soon as it becomes a game of manipulating the last percentage point to gain some miniscule statistical advantage, it's no longer fun.
Oddly enough, every time he comes to town, we try to get together to bowl. Lunch-and-bowl or the late-night cosmic bowling where you pay for the lane and get it for two or three hours until closing. I'm a far, far better bowler than he is (he's a house shoes and house ball kind of guy), but he still goes anyway.
SH
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Post by: Strider on December 04, 2006, 03:43:48 PM
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Post by: scotts33 on December 04, 2006, 04:12:03 PM
Also he is shorter and is somewhat straight legged like Dave Ferraro which some will see this week I think it is as he has the commish's exemption....but anyway the straight legged style allows him to loft but without a lot of hit. He hits out on the lane not up.
Ryan is kind of goofy but hey who on the tour isn't? Most have lil idiosyncrasy's. He's still a great bowler!
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Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on December 04, 2006, 08:45:21 PM
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Ryan is kind of goofy but hey who on the tour isn't? Most have lil idiosyncrasy's. He's still a great bowler!
They're all crazy for going out on tour for such awful prize funds. The sad thing is, that this is the best that bowling has.
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Post by: CoachJim on December 05, 2006, 03:50:27 PM
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They're all crazy for going out on tour for such awful prize funds. The sad thing is, that this is the best that bowling has.
It's hard to not find a joe job that pays as much as the avg pba exempt player makes in a year. These guys are the best in the world at what they do and should be compensated as such, it is a crime that they aren't. If the PBA wanted their product to flourish, they would dump ten times the money they did last year instead of 18% less. If they had a million dollars for first place the ratings would be through the roof and people wouldn't question the legitimacy of the sport.
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2006, 03:53:49 PM
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If they had a million dollars for first place the ratings would be through the roof and people wouldn't question the legitimacy of the sport.
Amen, brother, amen.
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Post by: DP3 on December 05, 2006, 04:13:02 PM
Think about it, if they televised the Megabucks tournaments do you think ratings would be through the roof? Not hardly. I'm not really concerned with ratings as much as I am of the tour's survival.
Post by: Platinum Bowler on December 05, 2006, 05:53:52 PM
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