Author Topic: Another Lefthanded PBA Stop? (Read 3249 times)

Wilbert · « **on:** January 25, 2007, 12:59:52 AM »

Las Vegas Motel 6 Tour Qualifier. 5 out of the top 7 in the qualifier were lefthanded.

KDawg77 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:01:15 AM »

It's called the numbers game. Less lefties = more consistent left side of lane. Not our faults. hehehehehehehe!

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mrteach3 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 25, 2007, 11:03:47 AM »

Hmmm, after three games. Three 800s all by lefties.
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MaineLefty · « **Reply #3 on:** January 25, 2007, 01:34:13 PM »

I am sick of righties whining about lefties havineg the "advantage" all the time. If you are good enough (like the pros are), than go out and prove it no matter what hand you use. I admit adjustments are less severe for us as the oil does not transition as hard or break down as fast, but with all the technology in equipment and and drillings this should almost be a mute point nowadays. I usually bowl 1-2 PBA tournaments a year and can say that those shots are not as easy as they first seem, and these guys earn every penny they get, left and right handed alike!! I will never apologize for bowling as a southpaw, quit whining and shut up and bowl (or just quit), either way I don't care what you do, I'm out!!

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Wilbert · « **Reply #4 on:** January 25, 2007, 03:01:28 PM »

First block finish. Top-Jason Couch averaging 260+. Leftside 10 out of 32.

PS. I am not whining about the lefties having an advantage all the time. However, the conditions should be such that lefties and righties have an equal chance. 10 lefties out of 32 is not equal. O lefties out of 32 is not equal also. I think the person putting out the lane pattern should be responsible for putting out a fair shot for both sides. Even if it means tweeking the pattern to favor one side or the other to adjust for the lane surface.

Edited on 1/25/2007 4:13 PM

Mvpbowler · « **Reply #5 on:** January 25, 2007, 03:10:00 PM »

Well I did make it down there yesterday and did see the left had it pretty sweet actually.. That house ( I do bowl there every wednesday ) is pretty sweet for the left all the time. But you could definitly see the left wasn't that hard at all yesterday. The right had to make some pretty good shots where as the left had plenty to work with... Should be interesting to see how this week ends up. I might go down tomorrow again.
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No Open Tenths · « **Reply #6 on:** January 25, 2007, 03:32:47 PM »

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I am sick of righties whining about lefties havineg the "advantage" all the time. If you are good enough (like the pros are), than go out and prove it no matter what hand you use. I admit adjustments are less severe for us as the oil does not transition as hard or break down as fast, but with all the technology in equipment and and drillings this should almost be a mute point nowadays. I usually bowl 1-2 PBA tournaments a year and can say that those shots are not as easy as they first seem, and these guys earn every penny they get, left and right handed alike!! I will never apologize for bowling as a southpaw, quit whining and shut up and bowl (or just quit), either way I don't care what you do, I'm out!!

WOW what a well thought out and mature post.
No one is whining about lefties. People are stating that the left and right side of the lanes are not playing the same from the get go. Did you watch last weeks show? Tell me that the lefties did not have built in hook on their side of the lane. The lefties all camped out on 10 and were able to hook from that spot. If WRW would have hit ten he would have been hitting the 6 pin in the face. It has nothing to do with just making an adjustment it has everything to do with the fact that the pattern is not symetrical left to right. I will never begrudge a lefthander the fact that they have to adjust less due to traffic. I wish I was in the same boat. But that has nothing to do with a pattern that is one sided be it left or right.
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MaineLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:37:44 PM »

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I am sick of righties whining about lefties havineg the "advantage" all the time. If you are good enough (like the pros are), than go out and prove it no matter what hand you use. I admit adjustments are less severe for us as the oil does not transition as hard or break down as fast, but with all the technology in equipment and and drillings this should almost be a mute point nowadays. I usually bowl 1-2 PBA tournaments a year and can say that those shots are not as easy as they first seem, and these guys earn every penny they get, left and right handed alike!! I will never apologize for bowling as a southpaw, quit whining and shut up and bowl (or just quit), either way I don't care what you do, I'm out!!
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WOW what a well thought out and mature post.
No one is whining about lefties. People are stating that the left and right side of the lanes are not playing the same from the get go. Did you watch last weeks show? Tell me that the lefties did not have built in hook on their side of the lane. The lefties all camped out on 10 and were able to hook from that spot. If WRW would have hit ten he would have been hitting the 6 pin in the face. It has nothing to do with just making an adjustment it has everything to do with the fact that the pattern is not symetrical left to right. I will never begrudge a lefthander the fact that they have to adjust less due to traffic. I wish I was in the same boat. But that has nothing to do with a pattern that is one sided be it left or right.

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No Open Tenths, If you actually read my piece you would understand it was mature and well thought out. Wilbert put it best saying that it is the person dressing the lane that had the responsibility of putting out a "fair" shot for both sides of the lane. If you put the same amount of oil on the right and left sides of course the right side will break down quicker, there is more traffic out there. If you load up the right side and not the left, and there happen to be less righties bowling on it those guys will struggle due to the heavy oil pattern, or you will have whining lefties out there saying now that the lanes favor the righties (which is also a load of dung). It almost seems like a no win situation when it comes to the guy dressing the lanes besides puttig out whatever the PBA says to lay down, and go with it. My point goes to the fact that no matter what the condition out there you have to hit it whether you are a lefty or righty, and the thing I get mad about is when there is a situation where 3 or 4 lefties make a show it must be the lanes and not their talent. But, when 4 or 5 righties make a show no one argues it in the other direction, we just "assume" they got there on talent, not a "favorable lane condition", which is what lefties hear all the time (fair or not it is the truth). That is my point, and why I say when someone bowls well, especially in a PBA torunament against the best of the best, they should be congratulated on what they have done, and not have to defend what they have accomplished.

No Open Tenths, if you are the type of person who has never tried a pro tournament, I suggest going out sometime and bowl one, you will have a much greater appreciation for what these guys do, as I do, left and right handed alike!!!

P.S. Three of the four lefties all played different lines, not just "camping out on the ten board" as has been said previously. Couch was third arrow, Allen and Bohn were ten board, and Cain was first arrow. Please get your facts straight before posting, thank you.
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No Open Tenths · « **Reply #8 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:44:24 PM »

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P.S. Three of the four lefties all played different lines, not just "camping out on the ten board" as has been said previously. Couch was third arrow, Allen and Bohn were ten board, and Cain was first arrow. Please get your facts straight before posting, thank you.

And all played a breakpoint of 8-10.Something that was impossible to do on the right side. Better?
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MaineLefty · « **Reply #9 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:50:52 PM »

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P.S. Three of the four lefties all played different lines, not just "camping out on the ten board" as has been said previously. Couch was third arrow, Allen and Bohn were ten board, and Cain was first arrow. Please get your facts straight before posting, thank you.

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And all played a breakpoint of 8-10.
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I agree that they all may have been playing the same break point down the lane but that is not uncommon on both sides of the lane when you have crankers and strokers playing the same break point down the lane on the right side. I guess this is just a subject we will have to agree to disagree on.

I know that when I bowl a tournament no matter who I bowl with or against, we all have to play what they put out there, and if I make enough good shots I have a chance to win, whether I bowl with ten lefties or none make no difference to me as I have to focus as much as I can on my own game. I wish you well in your future bowling No Open Tenths, and no hard feelings on my part

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No Open Tenths · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:58:45 PM »

I think we see this the same way. Yes, absolutely I agree that everyone has to play what is given. Maybe I am not able to read the graphs correctly but in most cases they appear to be symetrical(Although last weeks show was on a slecial pattern). That would lead me to believe that when fresh that both sides should play about the same. However it did not seem that this was the case. This may be just my percecption as a viewer. Jeff Carter in his blog also mentioned the differences between the two sides of the lane. I'm all for everyone playing what is given, but when the sides do not play the same from the get go it appears that one side has an advantage.
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Myrrodin · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:41:43 PM »

The problem is not with the pattern. If you've seen the results from the past events (from the 1st half) there was a good mix of righty and lefties on television. Now, all of the sudden, on the same pattern, lefties put up way larger scores? The issue here is the lane surface which isn't equal on both sides, and inevitably favors the other. I don't care that lefties have less traffic, the patterns are designed for that, and they still have to adjust accordingly. However:

http://www.stormbowling.com/bowling-news/story.asp?enewsid=2272&intl=False

If you read this most of the way through, he explains the utter lefty domination and why it occured. It has nothing to do with traffic on the patterns, and everything to do with a poorly designed surface.

EboKnight · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:49:17 PM »

Couch is +777 (wow!!!)
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renoatpikeville · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:50:34 PM »

there is no justice...anytime a lefty finishes first or second on a squad everyone gripes about what a lefty shot it was...get over it. No lefties complain when they dont score as well, or when five righties get to the tv finals.

On top of that, anytime a lefty bowls well he/she gets knocked for bowling good on an "unfair" or lefty shot. The way i look at it is if your right handed you can create a shot on anything. I mean any shot the lane man puts out...give enough games and bowlers you all will find something that will score.

Lefties on the other hand play with whats out there...if one day the scoring pace is slow for ones on the left side well they just have to tough it out. But what I dont like is whenever the scoring pace is high and lefties succeed comments come and people say, "oh what a lefty, walled up pattern."

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janderson · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2007, 11:38:26 AM »

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I am sick of righties whining about lefties havineg the "advantage"

Who was whining? Sounded like a simple observation about some lefties having success this week more than the righties in the PTQ.

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