Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on December 14, 2008, 04:55:10 AM
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Post by: KennyRambo on December 14, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
Post by: srlunatic on December 14, 2008, 02:01:43 PM
So what was he lost from?? Just wondering...
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Post by: iowalefty on December 14, 2008, 02:28:06 PM
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Post by: Berreez on December 14, 2008, 02:38:23 PM
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Post by: mainzer on December 14, 2008, 02:44:17 PM
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Post by: KennyRambo on December 14, 2008, 05:39:10 PM
Post by: JessN16 on December 14, 2008, 06:03:50 PM
It seems anyone who bowls a big number in a semi this year subsequently falls on their butt the next game. It's almost like they throw the big one, then make a mistake or two in the next game and panic.
Jess
Post by: strikecing on December 14, 2008, 06:14:36 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on December 14, 2008, 06:44:11 PM
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Sorry guys but Didnt Wes say something about he need tape during the first two frames. Cant tell you how many thimes I need tape in league and didnt put it in and pitch two shots out. And we you pitch a shot out on those kind of conditions you cant help but miss unlike when you pitch one out on THS!!!
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Yeah, he did say that. Said something like, "You know you needed tape, add tape!". But that goes back to focus. You just shoot 290, I suspect the ol' confidence level is running pretty high and you might get complacent. Winning on TV isn't easy but if you get lazy with your timing or your adjustments you just make it that much harder on yourself.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on December 14, 2008, 06:55:04 PM
To bad.
I felt he was right where Parker was the game before as far as transition when it got tough for him.
Not easy stuff for sure! That transition point on that shot makes it real tough right in that game where it hits.
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Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 14, 2008, 07:36:08 PM
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Sorry guys but Didnt Wes say something about he need tape during the first two frames. Cant tell you how many thimes I need tape in league and didnt put it in and pitch two shots out. And we you pitch a shot out on those kind of conditions you cant help but miss unlike when you pitch one out on THS!!!
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Ding, Ding, Ding, theres the answer. Even though the ball might not have felt 100% on his hand he had just come off shooting 290 and I know after I've shot a big game I'm a little more hesitant on making a change. Lets just forget that he covered the 2-4-6-10 and only focus on that he missed the 10 and made a few bad shots. Gotta love Monday morning quarterbacks, they know all the right answers after the fact.
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Post by: JessN16 on December 14, 2008, 08:10:26 PM
If bowling wants to be considered a sport, it should be comfortable with fans discussing whether the bowlers made the right or wrong calls, or whether they bowled well or not. Because that's what real fans of real sports do.
It seems like a lot of people want to squash any discussion that might be considered critical. If you're that self-conscious about the sport, outsiders looking in will think you're being a puss.
Go to any MLB, college football, NFL, NHL, etc., website and try to sell that attitude and you'll get laughed off the board.
Jess
Post by: lsf_21 on December 14, 2008, 08:30:58 PM
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I think it he threw a few bad shots because of dropping the ball and after that he was in trouble. I really can't believe that the lanes could have changed that much aftert h bowled 1 game on them. He was the only right hander and the lanes had a lot of oil on them. I was rooting for Wes and what really cost him the game was the missed 10 pin. Those guys just can't afford to miss spares.
the girls bowled on the lanes before him.
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Post by: Urameshii6 on December 14, 2008, 08:55:51 PM
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I think it he threw a few bad shots because of dropping the ball and after that he was in trouble. I really can't believe that the lanes could have changed that much aftert h bowled 1 game on them. He was the only right hander and the lanes had a lot of oil on them. I was rooting for Wes and what really cost him the game was the missed 10 pin. Those guys just can't afford to miss spares.
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They did, but they wouldn't have shredded the lane condition enough for that kind of quick transition. IMO, it looked like he over-thought the situation after that game against Parker and tried to stay ahead of the lane changes instead of just playing them as he started last game and then make changes as he saw fit.
Post by: JessN16 on December 14, 2008, 08:59:07 PM
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They did, but they wouldn't have shredded the lane condition enough for that kind of quick transition. IMO, it looked like he over-thought the situation after that game against Parker and tried to stay ahead of the lane changes instead of just playing them as he started last game and then make changes as he saw fit.
It also appeared to me that he should have de-shelled very early on in that game. He was getting a reaction consistent with too much surface for the condition and spent more time trying to adjust out of it than simply changing balls to something with more polish and/or a pearl with a similar layout and going that direction.
Jess
Post by: Urameshii6 on December 14, 2008, 09:03:35 PM
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They did, but they wouldn't have shredded the lane condition enough for that kind of quick transition. IMO, it looked like he over-thought the situation after that game against Parker and tried to stay ahead of the lane changes instead of just playing them as he started last game and then make changes as he saw fit.
It also appeared to me that he should have de-shelled very early on in that game. He was getting a reaction consistent with too much surface for the condition and spent more time trying to adjust out of it than simply changing balls to something with more polish and/or a pearl with a similar layout and going that direction.
Jess
Yeah, I felt the same as I watching the telecast. I was thinking maybe a switch to a Grand Illusion and he may have stayed in the match. Of course, I can't say for sure bc I've haven't thrown mine on the Shark or any other PBA pattern, but it seemed like a decent choice.
Post by: BBU on December 14, 2008, 11:05:18 PM
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Post by: batbowler on December 14, 2008, 11:16:07 PM
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Post by: SleepOnIce on December 15, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
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Post by: Spider Man on December 15, 2008, 06:38:43 AM
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Its called lane transition. Actually in the clutch when he needed strikes at the end he threw very good shots. He definitely got hosed in the 10th.
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Post by: jkiser01 on December 15, 2008, 06:44:22 AM
As bad as he threw the ball the 1st part of the game and with the missed 10 pin, he still had a chance to win by striking out in the 9th and 10th..
He threw a quality shot and got tapped.. Tough break for Wes, but he will be back. He is still the hottest player on tour right now..
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Post by: BiGtYmEr300 on December 15, 2008, 07:40:27 AM
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Post by: janderson on December 15, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
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He was lost from his rhythm, he was in sync the whole first game, and then he pitches out 2 shots wide and missed a ten pin
Not sure about losing rhythm, but I agree that it looked like he missed the first two shots wide. Then his next two shots were closer to where he wanted them and found that he couldn't play there because the lane was transitioning. His second shot on the left lane over reacted by quite a large margin and the adjustment he made on his 5th shot (on the right lane) wasn't enough. By then, he's down to trying to win the game in 5 frames and overcome a missed single pin spare.
In the same situation, when my second shot on the left lane seemed to hook way too much, I wouldn't necessarily give my next shot (the third shot on the right lane) extra room. In tournament play, you learn pretty quickly to treat each lane on a pair separately or suffer the consequences. You could see by his body language that Wes liked his second shot on the left lane, but he probably just didn't realize the lane had broken down that much. He moves back to the right and ... uh-oh, it broke down as much there too.
My fellow league bowlers often give me crap or tease me because I will often get upset over a poorly-executed shot that results in a strike (thanks lane man). What happened to Wes is a great example of why that upsets me. If you're a tournament bowler and make it into single game match play and execute poorly on your first two shots while the lanes are transitioning, you're now even further behind in the necessary adjustments and you've just given your opponent a 2-frame handicap.
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Post by: CHawk15 on December 15, 2008, 09:44:13 AM
Post by: jkiser01 on December 15, 2008, 10:33:23 AM
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I think part of it was overconfidence after shooting 290 the first game. Whiffing the 10 pin basically cost him the game and he missed because he was still thinking about the first one when he shot the spare. Unfortunately, Wes has a nasty habit of ringing a 10 when he needs a strike in the 10th as well, that's the 3rd time I've seen it in the past 2 yrs.
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Post by: trash heap on December 15, 2008, 10:37:18 AM
Post by: rvmark on December 15, 2008, 11:54:20 AM
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10 PINS SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC FOR A PROFESSIONAL BOWLER!
I would agree that they should make a single pin spare, but even "Dead Eye" Walter Ray Williams missed a ten pin on tv last year.
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Post by: Danes07 on December 15, 2008, 11:59:34 AM
I agree, that missed 10 pin probably was the one thing that hurt him the most in that match, but there were other factors.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on December 15, 2008, 12:15:52 PM
quote:Exactly. Even the best professionals screw up sometimes.
even "Dead Eye" Walter Ray Williams missed a ten pin on tv last year.
Post by: CHawk15 on December 15, 2008, 12:19:34 PM
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How does ringing a 10 pin have anything to do with Wes?? The shot yesterday was pure and the 10 pin just happened.. he threw the ball the best he could..
I may have been saying that under pressure, Wes may tend to throw the ball a little bit faster, causing it to push down the lane an extra 6" to a foot, which could cause a ringing 10 pin. Either that or he's caught a bad break in the 10th frame of 3 title matches in 2 yrs, icluding the win a couple of weeks ago. I just thought that was interesting. All those shots were probably good enough to strike. At least he's not like O'Neil, who throws it hard enough to washout or 2-8-10 under pressure.
Post by: dw23 on December 15, 2008, 12:20:25 PM
A choke would have been missing the ten pin in the tenth for the loss.
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Post by: Juggernaut on December 15, 2008, 10:28:46 PM
HE THREW IT LIKE A LEAGUE BOWLER, just ask Scroggy, he'll tell ya.
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Post by: JessN16 on December 16, 2008, 11:37:58 AM
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Most pple here dont understand that all the bowlers in the finals practiced on the lanes for an hour. Many games were bowled on the rt side. That is why they changed, sucked it had to b when wes was bowling good.
Actually, I think most everyone knows that the discussion is more about what he could have done differently or whether the first two shots of that game were functions of the lane condition or him just whiffing the shot somehow. Rhino had to fight basically the same issues since there were more lefties, but he managed to navigate his way to a win and Wes did not.
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Post by: trash heap on December 16, 2008, 02:28:43 PM
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Most pple here dont understand that all the bowlers in the finals practiced on the lanes for an hour. Many games were bowled on the rt side. That is why they changed, sucked it had to b when wes was bowling good.
If this is true...then I really think this is a problem with the PBA. With all the sponges out there then the match is actually starting in the warm ups. They are working a spot out so they have a shot or destroying their opponents shot. I know some might think that this is part of the game but I really think it should NOT happen at all.
The challenge is to bowl on the Pattern NOT bowl on a altered pattern. They talk on the show about how tough the pattern is. The final rounds for the Tournament should be played on the TRUE CONDITION! Warm up on different lanes!
Give them 2 balls on the pattern before the match starts and thats it!