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General Category => PBA => Topic started by: smash8-10split on January 07, 2007, 05:59:41 AM
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that PA's ball was an x out?
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hold my hammer, while i NAIL your girlfriend.
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Maybe ebonite didn't want to give him first-quality stuff yet, lol.
BTW, what were they throwing today?
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that PA's ball was an x out?
You are calling it an X-out because it had a long pin to CG? I've seen some of his old Ebonite stuff. He uses pin placements way above his mid grip line.
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Scott
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that PA's ball was an x out?
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hold my hammer, while i NAIL your girlfriend.
I watched the show and didn't notice this...Only that the ball he finished with had a really long pin.... above the fingers
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Side note: Did he thank RH? for a second chance? Would that be Ron Hickman?? J/W Thanks
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Could be a special order ball just for him?? Seemed to roll the ball very well with that pin and gave him the great look that he wanted. I saw what you saw too and the pin was at least 3-4" above the fingers, ive only seen 2 other balls like this. 1 was a Storm Paradigm Passion and the other was a Ebonite The Big One (also used by Patrick Allen)
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Mike Zadler
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It said X-Out below the C.G. PA uses that drill alot int he One series. The pin is 5" above the midline and approximately 5" from the PAP. The MB is placed 1 1/2 inches below the midline. It gives a more forward motion out of the backend. Tommy Jones uses this layout alot too with the stronger assymetricals. It enables the PBA releases to be able to control these monsters off of the spot. Us league bowlers need all the help we can get from the core, these guys can generate the motion we crave effortlessly.
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Experience, Shot Making, Wise Decisions......The best arsenal.
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Bunch of stuff that Patrick throws is an X-Out. I've seen him use X Out Ones, V2s, and now this Angular One.
As for what was being used, Couch used a Smash Time Pearl, Weber a Special Agent, and WRW an Awesome Revs.
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Just so you guys are aware, there are alot of companies that give the staff players and tour players X outs/Blems/X Comp balls!! It is pretty common!
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George Palumbo
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2002 True Amateur Challenge Champion
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::cough::TRACK::cough::
I had a friend on their advisory staff and everything they sent him was a 2nd. Mass Bias and C.G's 3 inches out of line. 0-1 inch pins with 4.5oz topweight. I remember one Delta he had was almost undrillable. It had a 4.9oz topweight and the pin-cg-mb relation had the C.G. about 3 inches right. He ended up going with a stacked leverage type layout with the MB about 3 1/2 inches left of his thumb and a huge flare decreasing hole just to get it within legal specs. Needless to say the ball rolled like garbage. Much like the rest of the stuff he had. A few months ago he quit their staff too and has been on fire ever since, throwing his older ebonite/hammers.
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Experience, Shot Making, Wise Decisions......The best arsenal.
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Bunch of stuff that Patrick throws is an X-Out. I've seen him use X Out Ones, V2s, and now this Angular One.
As for what was being used, Couch used a Smash Time Pearl, Weber a Special Agent, and WRW an Awesome Revs.
Wrong about the Smash Time Pearl. I believe strongly it was a polished up Smash Time because that ball had black in it and the Smash Time Pearl has blue not black
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Wrong about the Smash Time Pearl. I believe strongly it was a polished up Smash Time because that ball had black in it and the Smash Time Pearl has blue not black
So you're saying that the PBA doesn't know what ball these guys are using on the show?
http://www.pba.com/players/inthebag.asp
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So you're saying that the PBA doesn't know what ball these guys are using on the show?
http://www.pba.com/players/inthebag.asp
Walter Ray...shoes...none. Ha. I know the situation, it just made me loff.
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The regular Smash Time is much more black with some pink/red than the Pearl, which is more red, blue and silver. Thats why I stick with saying it was the Pearl.
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Did it look like PA switched to a different AO about half way into the last game?
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Did it look like PA switched to a different AO about half way into the last game?
That's what they said on the show...
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Mike
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It said X-Out below the C.G. PA uses that drill alot int he One series. The pin is 5" above the midline and approximately 5" from the PAP. The MB is placed 1 1/2 inches below the midline. It gives a more forward motion out of the backend. Tommy Jones uses this layout alot too with the stronger assymetricals. It enables the PBA releases to be able to control these monsters off of the spot. Us league bowlers need all the help we can get from the core, these guys can generate the motion we crave effortlessly.
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Experience, Shot Making, Wise Decisions......The best arsenal.
If there using these layouts to control the stronger asymmetrical balls then why not just use symmetrical equipment?
I would think this type of layout is to have the ball skate thru the mid lane. Maybe i'm wrong but what other purpose would there be for a pin to be that far above the fingers?
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In a recent magazine article(I found in PreciseMatt's shop...Bowling Proprietors magazine...(I think).
Ronald Hickland had an article on 16 trick drillings he had used with staffers such as TJ and PA from last year.
It was fascinating(bright guy!).
He had a ton of pin out drillings(intentional) to create special rolls for his guys.
If you can get it! Read it ...good stuff!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS he said without these special drills ...TO almost can only use symmetricals.
PPS one of my favorite drills puts a 4 inch pin out...way up for me...really gives me the push on a solid on a high friction house but the smoothness of solid instead of jump of pearl at the back.
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It said X-Out below the C.G. PA uses that drill alot int he One series. The pin is 5" above the midline and approximately 5" from the PAP. The MB is placed 1 1/2 inches below the midline. It gives a more forward motion out of the backend. Tommy Jones uses this layout alot too with the stronger assymetricals. It enables the PBA releases to be able to control these monsters off of the spot. Us league bowlers need all the help we can get from the core, these guys can generate the motion we crave effortlessly.
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Experience, Shot Making, Wise Decisions......The best arsenal.
If there using these layouts to control the stronger asymmetrical balls then why not just use symmetrical equipment?
I would think this type of layout is to have the ball skate thru the mid lane. Maybe i'm wrong but what other purpose would there be for a pin to be that far above the fingers?
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GO BEARS! Super Bowl bound!
I think you're reading a bit too much into it. Coverstock still makes up a majority of reaction. Especially on tougher patterns. If you don't have the right coverstock matchup, you're dead meat out there. Prime example are Track covers(in PA's hands) vs. Ebonite covers(in PA's hands). The GB series of covers is a goldmine for Ebonite on tour conditions. The fact that they do not bring this super strong reading cover down to their symmetrical balls(yes they have the RXS300 and SR300 but the R.G.s are way too high to read all of the oil in the midlane), makes players and drillers find a drilling where a player will be able to use his favorite coverstock on any of the 5 PBA patterns.
Bill O'Neill is a good friend of mine and we were chatting the week before he went out to Reno about coverstocks and cover matchups. He uses almost exclusively the Action series on every condition(with a Wrath or two sprinkled in there) as M80's coverstock is a great natural matchup to his type of roll. Also when he gets dialed into his A-Game which is throwing it firm, the M80 is strong enough to read the ton of oil in the midlane even at his high speed, yet it's strong enough and smooth enough to control off the breakpoint.
On softer conditions we don't always see the big difference in assymetrical/symmetrical and coverstocks and their characteristics because the lane pattern controls the motion of our balls. On tougher conditions, you need every advantage possible to match up, especially in your ball selection.
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Experience, Shot Making, Wise Decisions......The best arsenal.
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You can find a picture of a Tommy Jones X-out One on brunswickinsiders website. It was last year, assuming Us Open? I do remember an X-out One....crazy cg and mass locations (assuming mispunched)
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PA used X-out ball
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Angular One Review
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Pin to PAP Distance: 5 1/2"
Preferred Spin Axis to PAP Distance: 5"
Degree Layout Conversion: 70 degrees
Balance Hole: None
Surface Preparation: Box Condition
What I Was Looking For in this Ball and Layout:
Drilling this ball was really more about furthering my personal education and learning the ins and outs of this bowling ball layout. This layout was popular by Tommy Jones in the last PBA season with The One.
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Henrik Tremblay
Vise Inserts Amateur Staff
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Edited on 1/11/2007 2:45 PM
Edited on 1/11/2007 2:46 PM