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MrPerfect

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Bad year for what manufacturers?
« on: April 02, 2010, 05:09:57 AM »
This is open about any manufacturer, but specifically I was curious if people thought the reason the Big B seemed to be having a bad year on tour was depth of the arsenal available to their tour players? Or the quality of the balls they are producing? They are doing great this week, so hopefully we can see one of them right the ship.
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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 01:20:31 PM »
One of the theories that I've heard is the oil that they put on the lanes. For a while, it seemed that Storm's covers were reacting the best this year out on tour..

Now, it's seems the Ebo cover seems to be doing well..
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MrPerfect

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2010, 03:39:39 PM »
I don't want this to be a flame war so I will be listing the number of shows by manufacturer later tonight.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2010, 10:34:08 PM »
At this level of competion the BRAND of bowling ball a top-caliber player is using means very little. It's all about execution and adjustments.
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Kinalyx

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2010, 11:49:22 PM »
I would say brunswick has had a REALLY bad year.  They have the 2.5 & 3.5 which seem great, & also a few others that look good, yet havent had much success on tour at all.

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2010, 07:44:39 AM »
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I would say brunswick has had a REALLY bad year.  They have the 2.5 & 3.5 which seem great, & also a few others that look good, yet havent had much success on tour at all.


Is it the balls, or is it the guys throwing them?

Sean hasn't had the best season for spare shooting. Parker hasn't been consistently a top finisher in years.  Brad is solid often, but rarely outstaning (compared to the pack).  Diandra Asbaty had a solid year, as did CDB (for what was of the women's series)

I agree, some of this recently may be the oil not conducive to length, which helps the Brunswick stuff generally, but alot of it has to do with who's throwing it.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2010, 10:00:27 AM »
A perfect example of whether it's the ball or the player ?  Walter Ray Williams, Jr., has won 47 Pba national titles using equipment from many companies. He's won with:

900 Global
Brunswick
Columbia 300
Dyno-Thane
Ebonite
Faball
Morich
Track


He's also made the telecast using at least one other brand:

AMF


If anyone can add to the list please feel free.



I've seen other top players use many brands over the years and win:

Norm Duke
Brian Voss
Wayne Webb


As i stated earlier, at this level of competition it's all about adjustments and execution.
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MrPerfect

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2010, 10:05:30 AM »
Shows by manufacturer:
Storm       - 19
Columbia   - 12
Rotogrip   -  8
Ebonite      -  8
Hammer      -  7
900Global   -  6
Brunswick   -  6
Track      -  1

As seems to be the pattern Storm seems to be the clear manufacturer of choice of those that make the show, Columbia has almost completed its resurgence on tour, and after that it's pretty even with Track trailing mightily.

I don't understand why they don't move Couch or Tommy over to track to give that brand a real name since they seem to use Track stuff in qualifying more than any other Hopkinsville brand.
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MrPerfect

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2010, 10:07:33 AM »
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A perfect example of whether it's the ball or the player ?  Walter Ray Williams, Jr., has won 47 Pba national titles using equipment from many companies. He's won with:

900 Global
Brunswick
Columbia 300
Dyno-Thane
Ebonite
Faball
Morich
Track


He's also made the telecast using at least one other brand:

AMF


If anyone can add to the list please feel free.



I've seen other top players use many brands over the years and win:

Norm Duke
Brian Voss
Wayne Webb


As i stated earlier, at this level of competition it's all about adjustments and execution.


Yes for some bowlers it is an issue of style, because WRW could throw anything and make it work. I bowled against him in matchplay at a regional, we were bowling on Shark, and he beat me with a plastic ball. I doubt what he throws matters much. For others have the right equipment is essential.
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ralphiejantz

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2010, 10:12:17 AM »
I have to agree that at their level the ball company does not really come into play much
every company has so much damn product out there that these guys can choose what ever the hell they want and drill it to do what ever the hell they need it to do

I think it more in the ability of the pros to match up to the lanes and adjust at the right time is what gets them on TV and gets them their wins

biggest thing people that have never been on tour dont realize is that the ability to make the correct adjustments at the proper time is really what helps these guys score
the average or even high end bowler simply does not read patterns as well as most of these guys do or make adjustments correctly as fast as most of the pros do
their equipment is not to blame for them winning or losing
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los2003

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2010, 10:37:03 AM »
Its a big misconception here. Now with companies opening their whole line up just because barnes throws columbia on sunday doesn't mean he did all week.there was a show bill oneil made where he threw the nasty but on exra frame all week he threw the snot out of the total bedlem..on sundays it seems more politics goes on than during the week..
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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2010, 10:48:20 AM »
The 800 pound gorilla not mentioned above is that with all that oil grabbing surface being thrown down the lane, no lane oil is going to last very long. This year almost no one is getting to bowl in their comfort zone.
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MrPerfect

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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2010, 04:12:08 PM »
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Its a big misconception here. Now with companies opening their whole line up just because barnes throws columbia on sunday doesn't mean he did all week.there was a show bill oneil made where he threw the nasty but on exra frame all week he threw the snot out of the total bedlem..on sundays it seems more politics goes on than during the week..


Yeah, that was my point with the Track comment. I think right now you need to look at the depth of the arsenal available which is where I think the Big B is getting hit badly. While the Storm/Ebonite guys have a depth of arsenal at their disposal, the Big B doesn't have anything outside of their product line to allow their tour players to use.

You give the best guys in the world 24 opportunities to match up and score well or 8, which do you think is consistently going to do better? The numbers above seem to drive that point home if you don't have WRW on staff.
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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2010, 04:43:39 PM »
If the best in the world go through 24 balls they will have lost before they found what is right. Brunswick is one product line with many different bowling balls. How many staffers do they have compared to the Ebonite family of 4 different companies?

If you look at the product line available before some of the discontinues started there was more then enough for anyone to choose from. Not to mention with different drill patterns and surface adjustments the options are endless.

It is obvious it comes down to the number of bowlers on staff and whom they are. http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/pros/



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Re: Bad year for what manufacturers?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2010, 04:45:57 PM »
Now compare that to Brunswick of the 90s when they had every bowler under the sun on staff and how many pros made the show week in and week out.

When Brunswick let all of the pros go and kept only a few that shows how little of importance the PBA is at this point. (at least to Brunswick, although the world isn't far behind when you look at ratings)

Most of the topics of late are how bad the shows are, what does the PBA tour need to and on and on.

No one watches the PBA on TV enough in terms of wanting to advertising your product. Your better off making youtube videos and commercials that way. Remember when they use to make commercials for bowling balls? That all stopped for a reason.
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