Post by: Next Level PS on February 04, 2007, 05:48:18 AM
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Post by: jkiser01 on February 04, 2007, 09:20:39 PM
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Post by: revTrex on February 05, 2007, 08:41:16 AM
What's hilarious is that you defend Rash in another topic for being "the future"...and yet you say that Mika makes you sick because he speaks in his own language, plays "his" game, and talks trash (all three of which Rash does quite well). Mika's game developed from his career in Europe. What difference does it make what language he speaks? I didn't know the pins only fall down when spoken to in English...
Darn Hokies and their inability to grasp basic facts...
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Post by: RSalas on February 05, 2007, 08:48:40 AM
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What do you say to an athiest when they sneeze?
Uh...Gesundheit?
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Post by: metallicaaaaaaa on February 05, 2007, 08:53:55 AM
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I wish Barnes would of won. I don't like Mika. He is overrated and I am tired of his "undefeated 11 first matches". He has one strategy. Bowl up the 2nd arrow and hook it like 10 boards. If the condition isn't right, he sucks. He also talks trash in his language. He makes me sick
1. Mika was never "rated" at any point. It just so happens that he's beat left handers a lot. So what?
2. How do you know if Mika is trash talking if he is speaking his own language? Do you speak Fin-ish?
3. He definitely wasn't bowling over second arrow on sunday. He was actually hooking the ball.
Did you even watch the show? Apparently not...
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Post by: Next Level PS on April 01, 2007, 08:49:11 PM
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Post by: monstercrank on April 01, 2007, 09:05:34 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? He never missed the pocket once, nothing he could do, it was a carry fest for those two and he lost. I would love to hear what you think he did wrong though.
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Post by: Joe Jr on April 01, 2007, 09:07:01 PM
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What do you say to an athiest when they sneeze?
Uh...Gesundheit?
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Post by: Next Level PS on April 01, 2007, 09:20:04 PM
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All I can say is couldn't happen to a nicer guy...
why did you say this?
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 02, 2007, 09:00:52 AM
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What the hell are you talking about? He never missed the pocket once, nothing he could do, it was a carry fest for those two and he lost. I would love to hear what you think he did wrong though.
Well, I guess bowling isn't about hitting the pocket anymore because you can have a bunch of crappy half pocket hits and have your power send ugly messengers around.
Then you say something like: YEAH!!! NO DOG IN ME! And then stick your tongue out at the camera.
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Post by: bluerrpilot on April 02, 2007, 10:24:02 AM
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Well, I guess bowling isn't about hitting the pocket anymore because you can have a bunch of crappy half pocket hits and have your power send ugly messengers around.
Your right, its about getting strikes
Post by: Wilbert on April 02, 2007, 10:38:15 AM
What the hell are you talking about? He never missed the pocket once, nothing he could do, it was a carry fest for those two and he lost. I would love to hear what you think he did wrong though.
I am not a CB fan, but I would have to agree he didn't do anything wrong this time. About 3/4 through the match it was out of his control.
Post by: RSalas on April 02, 2007, 10:38:21 AM
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Close BC, but the correct answer would be, "when you die nothing happens"
It took you *two months* to come up with that retort?
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Post by: baccala8872 on April 02, 2007, 10:50:56 AM
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What the hell are you talking about? He never missed the pocket once, nothing he could do, it was a carry fest for those two and he lost. I would love to hear what you think he did wrong though.
Well, I guess bowling isn't about hitting the pocket anymore because you can have a bunch of crappy half pocket hits and have your power send ugly messengers around.
Then you say something like: YEAH!!! NO DOG IN ME! And then stick your tongue out at the camera.
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Post by: Nodsleinad on April 02, 2007, 10:51:54 AM
Barnes is considered a Power Player and he was out Powered by TJ by far.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 02, 2007, 10:55:11 AM
The moral of the story is learn to crank the ball.
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Post by: Necromancer on April 02, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
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I don't think you can blame Barnes at all. He looked like he was bowling really good.
The moral of the story is learn to crank the ball.
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Post by: justdale on April 02, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
Anybody else very impressed with how staight TJ was thrownig ( for him that is straight)
Post by: majik13 on April 02, 2007, 11:38:28 AM
Post by: justdale on April 02, 2007, 11:43:57 AM
Post by: Necromancer on April 02, 2007, 11:44:53 AM
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Yeah Dale that was really straight for TJ...I was more curious about the surface he had on the TNV...it was definitly duller than OOB 4000.
Well let's not give the ball all the credit. From what I have seen the past month or so, that was the ONLY time I saw the Total NV do good on a tournament condition. I guess it had to be in the hands of a machine to strike consistently. I bet all these bowlers are going out to buy one after watching the show only to be dissappointed that it still sucks on anything more than medium oil THS for anyone not in the PBA.
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Post by: majik13 on April 02, 2007, 11:45:40 AM
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Post by: JoeBowler on April 02, 2007, 04:12:24 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 02, 2007, 04:28:21 PM
I believe Chris Barnes combination of extremely tight thumb and shorter span which gives him a lot of versatility on the lanes. Also under pressure causes some releases which are not so perfect.(ie the slams into the lane....hand over the top of ball etc) which are evident in a lot of his losses.
As only an observer of these fudged throws I qualify my statements by saying I cannot hold his bowling bag as a bowler and know it!
But from just a viewing sense....if under pressure with his setup one makes the SLIGHTEST mistake in release timing one gets a pretty muffed shot. Others with different setups who are NOT so versatile with their play...have more of a margin of error in their timing and not get such a muffed shot! (ie same slight timing error = a bigger mistake for Chris).
Very similar to the problem I believed Greg Norman had in his grip statics for the shots he wanted to play.
It was not really their mental approach to pressure but the smaller window of time they have to mistakes to get a good shot!
Anyway....for this particular show I saw none of these mistakes by Chris...I thought he bowled very well....he just got beat by some incredibly great bowling!
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 02, 2007, 04:29:48 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on April 02, 2007, 04:46:22 PM
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I am not really a Chris Barnes fan or anything but Tommy Jones bowled a 279 to beat him. How can you blame that on Chris Barnes?
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Exactly! I bet if Barnes bowled 279 and lost to a 300 from Jones, you all would still blame Barnes. Get real. On any given Sunday, Barnes is the most technical bowler in the world and would whoop all of you for everything you have. Also go see an optomologist if you are complaining of VERY SLIGHT flaws in Barnes game.
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Post by: JoeBowler on April 02, 2007, 04:47:35 PM
Larry Mize chip in to win the masters. Bob Tway holing a bunker shot to win the PGA. And there were several others.
Then he lost others with bad shots. Masters 1986, Us open against fuzzy
Barnes gets into contention all the time but cant seem to seal the deal
either his own mistake or someone else taking him out.
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 03, 2007, 11:08:19 AM
I observed many many many of his losses. BEfore these miracle shots happened...Very often Greg had leaked during and earlier in the round several short irons right to right in his round leading to many scrambling pars or several bogeys to get his opponent close enough to have a chance for the miracle shot win.
I can mention several off the top of my head....
The 1986 Masters a right to right on 18 to let Nicklaus in. The Masters against Faldo...1996? Many right to rights or to get the ball to draw he had to slightly pull it.(like his slight left to left iron on 10). An Australian tournament to Lee Westwood lost by missing about 5 staight greens in a row with right to right irons down the stretch. The 1984 US Open to Fuzzy Zoeller with his dramatic slice to miss the green by miles to the right.
Greg Norman was one of the greatest drivers (long AND straight) drivers and long woods and irons players the game has ever seen. Combined with a wonderful short game that is why he was in contention so so often!
His short irons however had a definite tendency to aim for a draw and leak to the right....over and over again.
MOst of his great titles were won on courses where he had fewer short irons...under a 6 iron!
Above I stand corrected. Chris Barnes has NO technical flaws in his game.....NONE! I thought I saw something but I was totally completely wrong.
If that is true...we must go back to the theory that he tightens up! Just like the popular theory on Norman.
Heading to the optometrist....
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Post by: DON DRAPER on April 03, 2007, 11:30:24 AM
Post by: Next Level PS on April 03, 2007, 12:12:06 PM
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i listened to people knock chris barnes ability on this site for years. most simply can't accept that he's one of the best ever to play the game at this level of competition.
I totally agree but he just doesnt have that "Will" power.
for example Micheal Jordan had that "will power" you was always at his mercy Kobe Bryant has skill and Talent but doesnt have that "Will Power"
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 03, 2007, 01:11:17 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on April 03, 2007, 01:21:35 PM
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What will power will prevent your opponent from dropping a 279 on you? Just curious because I need that power.
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That and the fact that this topic is so stupid. Talking about willpower and comparing Michael Jordan. First of all, let me know anyone in this thread where defense is locating in the game/sport of bowling. Maybe I missed something for the nearly 20 years I have been bowling. Also, why was this thread pushed "TTT" after he lost to a 279. You all act like you can beat Barnes or something.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 03, 2007, 01:35:47 PM
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What will power will prevent your opponent from dropping a 279 on you? Just curious because I need that power.
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That and the fact that this topic is so stupid. Talking about willpower and comparing Michael Jordan. First of all, let me know anyone in this thread where defense is locating in the game/sport of bowling. Maybe I missed something for the nearly 20 years I have been bowling. Also, why was this thread pushed "TTT" after he lost to a 279. You all act like you can beat Barnes or something.
I think some of these people have been sniffing the vanilla scented Storm rosin bags a little too hard. Mmm... Cake...
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Post by: LuckyLefty on April 03, 2007, 01:39:28 PM
Very similar to Greg Norman...incredible but with a critical flaw!
In Chris case it is usually the occassionally slam down into the lane at critical times(it has been mentioned by Randy on the show(what does he know). My instructor and bowling mentor says without question he Chris Barnes is "the BEST". My instructor bowled on the same pair as Chris during last years US open and was wowed by his versatility talent and REVS.
I cannot beat Chris Barnes or compete with him. Yet I agree with Randy Pederson on this occassional flaw.
As to having a 279 layed on him...I thought Chris bowled wonderful the other day(without the flaw) very similar to his win earlier this year! He just got beat by a guy on fire!
I believe without this occassional flaw I see on TV he would have near 15 to 20 wins at this time.
We all know he can compete on any condition.
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Post by: JoeBowler on April 03, 2007, 01:48:26 PM
WWR is little more than 50-50 in title matches. I don't believe Earl was much better. Sometimes you just get beat.
But Barnes also beats himself which the others seldom do.
I remember a TOC against Couch where he flagged an 8 pin about the 7th fram to looose by less than 10. Another tourny where he missed a 2-4-5 and several others wher he threw bad shots late to lose.
Marshal holman got like this for a while, Parker has gone thru stretches where they throw critical bad shots that cost them matches. They seem to expect the bad break to happen.
Barnes is a great talent, a great qualifier, a good champion but he has yet to show me the TV moxie to win single game matches regualrly.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on April 03, 2007, 03:00:34 PM
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Post by: WDE on April 03, 2007, 05:03:06 PM
Truth be told, there aren't many that could have. Norm couldn't, Tony couldn't, and Chris couldn't, and they are obviously all very good players. If there was ever a tournament to dismantle the opinion that the cranking doesn't have some very considerable benefits, it's this one. Or maybe we should look back at Couch's 3-peat at the TOC.
The game has changed from the Roth vs. strokers days. Clearly, TJ and Couch have proven that they are versatile and consistent enough to play on tough patterns, and they very often out-carry their competition when the ball gets to the pins because they can combine revolutions with consistency. The TOC was not blind luck, or half-pocket, or whatever excuses you want to give. TJ's revs gave him more area to play with, and obviously plenty of power at the pins. And anybody who's watched enough telecasts with the TNV knows that that ball thrives in the swish zone.
That kind of power isn't ugly. It's nasty. Not sucking up to TJ, but that was impressive.
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Post by: stopncrank on April 03, 2007, 07:57:19 PM
tommy jones:you guys are getting a taste of what we've been seeing in the carolinas for years now, tj is the man! tv doesn't do tommy justice. and yes that is about as straight as tj will get!
by the way, on one of the practice sessions in between breaks, did anyone notice cb throwing that 200 grit epx?!!! i know the lanes were tough, but even randy and couch commented on how much cb and tj broke them down. i think that only took norm and tony out of the equation because of cb and tj's rev rates.
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Post by: WDE on April 03, 2007, 08:12:35 PM
Tony has surpised me, he's pretty versatile. I didn't think he'd be as good as hooking it as he was last week, and if I saw anything in this week, it was patience, and Tony had that.
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Post by: Next Level PS on April 03, 2007, 08:54:34 PM
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What will power will prevent your opponent from dropping a 279 on you? Just curious because I need that power.
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That and the fact that this topic is so stupid. Talking about willpower and comparing Michael Jordan. First of all, let me know anyone in this thread where defense is locating in the game/sport of bowling. Maybe I missed something for the nearly 20 years I have been bowling. Also, why was this thread pushed "TTT" after he lost to a 279. You all act like you can beat Barnes or something.
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Dont missunderstand me
Im a huge barnes fan
The Fact is that we are waiting for this huge recored breaking season maybe 5-7 titles, $400,000 earnings and POY....JUST Tiger Woods the whole freaking PBA Tour. he's been out there almost 10 years and not a stand out season yet especially from a bowler who has the BEST game out on tour BAR NONE.
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Post by: Platinum Bowler on April 03, 2007, 10:09:16 PM
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