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northface28

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Barnes real problem
« on: February 03, 2008, 03:38:22 PM »
He is revered in bowling circles as "having the most talent". Well can someone explain to me while he insists on going so straight on TV? Is he scared of hooking it more? No tilt, no axis rotation. Just end-over-end up the lane. I'm not sure if there is such a thing as too much up the back or too straight, but if there is, Chris Barnes is guilty of it.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2008, 11:45:12 PM »
Is that Walter Ray's problem too?

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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 11:55:22 PM »
i would tend to disagree.  he doesn't seem to have to much trouble getting to the pocket.  he just has a bad break here or there, or sometimes just makes a terrible shot.  i wouldn't say he chokes all the time...throw it good and get a funny reaction or no carry isn't really choking.  when its one and done, its totally different then during the week.  if on the telecast they had a best of X (which obviously isn't feasible) i bet he would win more.  and there are also plenty of times when he flat out chokes.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 01:00:28 AM »
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Is that Walter Ray's problem too?

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No. His ball reads the lane differently.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 06:06:11 AM »
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Well can someone explain to me while he insists on going so straight on TV?
Because when he can actually get relaxed and pry the ball off his hands, it works?  He made it all the way to the friggin' TV show doing just that, so I think it's pretty obvious it works...
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 06:10:15 AM »
I'm not trying to second guess Chris...I mean he's on TV and I just get to watch the show every sunday but...

sometimes I think he does try to throw it too straight.  There have been many times where he had to kill his release so much to play up the boards that he just missed and got nothing on the ball and flagged the pocket.  I know this happens to other guys too, but sometimes to me it seems that he fells that he has to play straight, even when he has to fight the lane to do it.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 07:12:42 AM »
Honestly I only think his choice of where to play the lanes and the lack of everything comes from us wanting him to fail.  He does his job, and is damn good at it.  At a drop of a hat he can move in and swing it or play out somewhat like Duke.  There's a lot of guys that make bad shots on tv and get some terrible breaks.  The only reason it's a problem for Chris is because he makes so many shows a years.  We wouldn't notice it as much if he made one show a year.  He definately has a few demons to deal with, it seams, but he's still cashing while we're bashing.  I have to say, I darn there shat myself last week when he whiffed the 10.  I thought, Finally, a championship for Barnes and no incidents.  I figured everyone would be thrilled to see him win one without getting lucky.  Well that's just my 2 cents
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 07:19:03 AM »
His real problem is, he is a mental midget and he cant handle the pressure of the camera, lights, and championship round. Come on, look at the dudes record. It is fairly obvious.
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« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 07:26:20 AM »
I think Chris Barnes is the most talented bowler on tour.  Whenever he's on TV I'm pulling for him to win.  Once he can get past the mental demons that he has, he's gonna win tournaments by the boatload.

He needs to win a tournament soon....no unlucky breaks, no missed easy spares, not winning cause he got lucky.  He needs to win a tournament by bowling as good as he can.  That will help him shake a few of those demons.  Just my opinion though.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 07:34:10 AM »
he knows that if he can play up the boards that most times thats the best carry
and i u know chris that guy CAN HOOK THE CRAP out of the ball
if he changes released he can cover the lane. but he plays what the lanes give him
he may have choked but hes making a GREAT LIVING doing what he does
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 09:43:02 AM »
As far as the comment about hooking the ball is concerned, that just seems to be the way to go on many of these patterns. It keeps you around the pocket and makes it a game of consistency and carry. You hear all the time how so and so big-rev player has been working to cut back on the revs and play straighter. You almost never hear guys saying that they need to learn how to hook the ball more on those patterns. Barnes' troubles have very little to do with how he plays the lanes. I just think that he's had a bad run, and it's starting to get into his head. I think he's starting to believe the negative mojo. Ask any baseball player; you're not in a slump until you tell yourself you're in a slump. Barnes appears to be going through that right now, but he's still a damn talented bowler, and I think we'll hear a lot from him before his day is done.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2008, 10:33:04 AM »
I noticed Barnes coming straight up through the ball more so when he switched to Columbia. It seemed to me that he always had more side rotation when he threw Brunswick.
I would assume it's a coincidence that when he switched to Columbia, the lane conditions changed at the time to generally favor a straighter shot. I've seen him throw side rotation and play the big hook with Columbia equipment as well, so I think the general lane conditions have more to do with it than anything.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2008, 11:00:54 AM »
I didn't realize ballreviews.com had so many ball reps posting....I mean the level of knowledge in this thread is way beyond the realm of normalcy.

By the way northface talent does not mean "hook"....there are plenty of people out there that can hook the world but suck.....look at Tommy Jones...he was an average tour player until he learned to play straighter.

Slopsurprise...how do you explain winning 100s of 1000s of dollars as an ameteur bowler.  He is the main reason they started changing rules in Vegas....they got tired of him winning everything.
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2008, 11:10:11 AM »
I don't think anybody in this thread was claiming to be a ball company rep or be an expert in the game.  Just voicing their opinions as Chris Barnes and the problems he's had on TV.  I never know expressing an opinion was such a horrible thing...its an opinion.

Was the sarcasm at the beginning of the post really that necessary?
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Re: Barnes real problem
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2008, 11:18:49 AM »
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I don't think anybody in this thread was claiming to be a ball company rep or be an expert in the game.  Just voicing their opinions as Chris Barnes and the problems he's had on TV.  I never know expressing an opinion was such a horrible thing...its an opinion.

Was the sarcasm at the beginning of the post really that necessary?
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Yes it is...when every week there is thread after thread about Barnes choking, or someone else throwing bad shots, or somoene else making poor ball moves.  It never ends....sure it's everyone's right to voice an opinion...but it's my right too....
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